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Make Your Product a No-Brainer for Your ICP
Direct Comparisons: Make Your Product a No-Brainer for Your ICP
Transcript
Anyway, here we are with plan b. What’s going to happen here is I will be, sharing all the hows, the what’s, the whys, all the theories, some examples of how to leverage direct comparisons in your copy.
And if you have any questions on anything I share here today, if you want some help or a second set of eyes on how you’ve applied this to some copy you’re working on at the moment, or if you wanted to even talk about how we could take this practice from the world of copywriting and apply it to, for example, your sales calls, please just tag me in Slack and let me know. I would absolutely love to work through this kind of stuff with you. So don’t be shy in reaching out if you would like some help or some support. That’s exactly what I’m here for. Okay. On that note, let’s dive into the meat, of the workshop. Let me share my screen with you.
So as you know, today’s session is all about how to leverage direct comparisons to make your offer a really easy yes for your ideal prospect.
So very much building on this month’s theme of straight line copywriting.
Now the best place to start with this stuff is to really highlight the fact that when it comes to decision making, our brains absolutely love comparisons.
Why? Well, quite simply it’s because they allow us to assign value to the options that are in front of us and therefore make a really informed decision.
They help appease the rational part of our brain. If you’ve ever read Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow, you’ll know that, we typically make decisions, relating to all sorts of things, including what to purchase based on the rational part and the emotional part of our brain. So there are two different systems at play. Comparisons really appeal to that rational part of your prospect’s brain. Because what they allow us to do very easily is have a justification for why we’ve made the purchasing decision. And importantly, it’s one that your prospect can really easily share with others in their life.
So if the offer that you’re writing copy for is something where your prospect will need to justify their decision to perhaps their boss or their team, maybe their spouse, maybe their friends, maybe their peers, This tactic and this approach of leveraging direct comparisons is actually incredibly beneficial because it gives people the data which they can easily use for that purpose. Right? They feel really confident in sharing why they chose this offer above, other options on the market or why they think this will actually work when perhaps previous purchases in the same realm have not delivered the outcome that they were after. So keep that in mind, as we move forward from here.
Now, of course, we’ll be talking about how direct comparisons apply to the kind of offers that you’re writing copy for. But I think just to get you in the headspace of getting a feel for or realising how these things come into play in everyday life.
We want you here for a minute to think about the bread aisle at your local supermarket.
Now, depending on where you are in the world and how big your city or your town is, your supermarket bread section may not look like this.
The one up the road from me here in Sydney absolutely does. I would say it’s probably even larger than this. There must be close to a hundred different options at least, of bread. Now if you are to leave this recording and go and ask your housemate, your partner, your kid if they’re old enough, hey like what what kind of bread do you choose when you go to the supermarket and can you tell me why?
I guarantee you they are going to have a list of factors in there that are comparative. So that are comparing their bread of choice to other options that are there on the shelf. So for example, and it’s quite sad that I know this much detail about my husband, but I know that whenever he goes to the supermarket, the loaf that he chooses is always just the generic supermarket brand wholemeal bread. And I know that he chooses that because he likes it.
It has more fiber than white bread, right? He’s healthier moves things along, I guess.
And also he likes it because it has less, of those, like, seedy or grainy bits compared to, the whole grain bread. Also, I know that he likes it because of the size of the slices and the way that they fit into our oldest kids lunchbox.
So as I’m talking through this, I mean, yes, those are no pedantic things to be thinking about, but that’s how he justifies his decision. That’s how he has watched the place of knowing that that is his top choice of life. Now, of course, the reasons that you have or the reasons that the people in your life might have for their particular choice of bread are going to be different because different things matter to different people.
The point is that if you drill down enough into someone’s choice of bread, you will get to a point where they are able to articulate why they choose it in relation to other options. So how they think their choice of loaf is different and better than other things that they could have chosen instead.
So the point that I’m trying to make here is that value is relative, right? So it only exists in relation to other options and it’s also subjective. So what matters to me is going to be different to what matters to you in most cases.
So this means that we’re better able to illustrate the value of an offer when we actively compare it to options instead of talking about it in isolation, honing in on the aspects that actually matter to our ideal prospect, right, rather than trying to prove some sort of global superiority.
So two really important points here. Right? We need to compare options to other available alternatives, right, in order to help someone understand in a really concrete, aidable way why something is a different and better option for them given what they value in the thing that we’re talking about.
Now it’s really important that when you are leveraging direct comparisons in your copy, you are really focused on what actually matters for your ideal prospect. If you try and take this a step above and go sort of a step higher and you try to prove some sort of global superiority, like, well, this is simply just the best offer on the market for anyone, you’re going to get tripped up. Because of course, the thing that makes your offer the best fit for your ideal prospect is going to make it not the best fit for the people who aren’t your ideal prospect. Right?
And that’s good. That’s why niches exist. That’s why specificity sells. Right? I also think there is a mindset hurdle that you would also come up against if you were to try and prove that your offer is just absolutely the best flat out regardless of who it’s serving.
So really stick to what the data tells you about your ideal prospect, what they care about, and how your offer responds to that, or how your offer serves those things, those points of difference.
So on that note, if you are not already asking this question in your voice of customer research, start.
How does insert your offer compared to other insert the category of your offer things you’ve tried or thought about trying before? So for example, how does CopySchool Professional compare to other copywriting masterminds you’ve tried or thought about trying before?
How does ConvertKit or KIP I think they are now calling it compare to other email marketing platforms you’ve tried or thought about trying before?
Asking this question alone will get you such rich data and will get you all the information you need to actually go ahead and make really effective comparisons in your copy. It will unearth who your competitors are and also how your offer is different and better in the ways that matter who your ideal prospect. So this question unearth some absolute gold. So if you’re not already asking it, again, please start folding it into your research process.
If you’re looking at this and you’re thinking, oh, that doesn’t quite fit with the project I’m working on, because I know that my ideal prospect hasn’t actually invested in a solution, for this problem or this challenge or to work towards this outcome before, this question may serve you better. What stopped you from getting help with this kind of thing before? So what this will do is help you pinpoint and uncover objections or perceived faults or flaws with available offers that ideally your offer can speak to. Right? You can say, oh, well, actually, you know, you might be worried about x. Here’s what our offer does in that respect that is different and better. So what you’re doing here is making a really clear case for your offer in a great fit in all the ways that matter.
Now I wanna show you a real world example of what this looks like, so you can see how easy and how powerful it is in copy.
So what you’re looking at here, is a spreadsheet I’ve just exported from one of my type forms, a bunch of responses to this question, which is one that has existed historically in my feedback form for a copywriting course that I’ve recently retired.
So don’t worry. I’m not trying to sell you on this. It’s just, it’s just a really good example of direct comparisons. And I think because we are mostly copywriters in here, it might be helpful because you probably know some of these competitors. Right? And certainly you will know copy school.
So as you can see here, the question I ask in the survey is how did it compare to other copywriting courses you’ve taken. Right? So I’m asking about how this offer compared to other offers in the same category.
So you can probably already see that even where there are no competitors mentioned or where there are no direct comparisons drawn, There’s some really juicy, voice of customer here that I can obviously leverage to help someone offer through testimonials. So even the second response here, like brain camp is the only copywriting course you need. That’s a very powerful headline to be able to leverage somewhere. It’s a very powerful point of social proof. And often, you know, down here, you know, Braincamp is where I’m with the best copywriting course I’ve ever taken.
I did something strange there. There we go. Sorry.
So just also to highlight that as well as giving you all the data you need to make the comparisons really actively in your copy between your offer and other available alternatives, this question can also yield just some super powerful social proof that will really help position and sell your offer in a really effective way.
Now what I’ve done here, as you can probably see, every time someone has mentioned a competitor or a competing offer, I have put that in orange.
You know, you can see Sarah Turner’s Right Away to Freedom, copy school comes up a few times. Kate Toon, copy hackers.
I think there’s also some reference to the copywriter think sorry. The copywriter club think tank, yeah, Accelerator. I think Tarzan gets mentioned somewhere in here as well.
So, you know, a lot of big names, but also a lot of clarity for me on who or what else my ideal prospect is considering or has tried before when it comes to investing money towards this goal or towards solving the problem or not feeling like they are a really confident effective copywriter.
So that information is incredibly useful because it gives me those direct comparison points that I can leverage.
The pieces of, these feedback, snippets that are in green, the ways in which these prospects or these customers have identified Braincamp as being a better, more appealing option for them. Now again, I’m not focused here on trying to prove that Braincamp is the best copywriting course ever. I’m really using this question to understand what matters to my ideal prospect and how Braincamp is a best fit option for them. Because I know without a doubt that there are many, many, many people for whom Braincamp would not be the best fit.
And that’s great. I don’t want to attract them to the offer. I actually want to weed them out by highlighting these points so I can draw the right people in We’ll let the other people off the book. Right?
If it’s not the best fit for them, it doesn’t serve either of us for them to actually come in and join the program.
So as you can perhaps see, a lot of the pieces in green make the same points. So more holistic human centric understanding of copywriting, more focused on sales psychology, much more human centered.
There is also a lot of reference to the fact, that, for example, the Slack chat in workshops was so intimate and every question I had got answered.
The intimacy and attention afforded by the small group nature of this course blew away every other copywriting course I’ve taken. So a lot of the points are really similar, which is great, right? When you start seeing those patterns in your voice of customer data, you know you are hitting on something.
So I won’t spend much more time going through this raw data here. What I really want you to take away from having a quick squeeze at this spreadsheet, I mean, look at so many responses here, is that, this simple question gives you all the information you need. Right? It’s then so easy to take this and put it into copy and put it in a format that is incredibly easy for your prospects mind to grab a hold of and pull into their decision making process. So if you’re wondering, okay, what does that look like?
My favorite way to illustrate how an offer is different and better is by writing copy into a comparison table.
Very simple, very effective.
So I’ll have a I’ll do a quick, little scroll of this section of Brain Camp sales page.
I know there are a lot of other copywriting courses out there on the interwebs. Your time is precious and money doesn’t grow on trees. So chances are you’re wondering why you should invest in this one. This handy little table is here to help. Now as you can see, even with this headline, I’m being very direct and very upfront about the fact that, yeah, I’m sure you’re looking at other options or maybe you’ve bought other copywriting courses before and you’ve been underwhelmed by, you know, what’s been waiting for you inside or the kind of results they’ve helped you achieve. I’m addressing the elephant in the room head on, because if I don’t, I can’t effectively talk to or demonstrate how this offer is different and better for the ideal prospect. So don’t be afraid to be really direct.
It’s a much more powerful tactic if you are able to just be really matter of fact and straight to the point.
Now as you can see here, one column here is devoted to other courses, and these points are all pulled from that data in terms of what people found disappointing or lacking about some of the other courses they had tried before.
This column on the right here is all the ways in which Braincamp is different and better on those points. So I put in here all the bits that matter based on that voice of customer research, and they’re all here as direct points of comparison. So for example, you would have seen, in that spreadsheet that I showed you a minute ago that there was quite a bit of, feedback on the fact that the intimate nature of the course was really valuable. So of course, there’s a point in here about that. So other courses have ginormous cohorts, little opportunity for one to one attention.
Brain camp has just twenty five spots up for grabs. By the end of week, we’ll know each other’s names and niches. By the end of week twelve, we’ll probably have matching hats. If you want to need one to one attention, all you need to do is hit me up in Slack, send me a copy for critique, or ask me a question during one of our live workshops.
Of course, I could read all of these out to you. Let me just pick another one just for reference. So, I think one of the other points I called out when I was going through those responses, in the Google Sheet were that people liked the deeper psychological approach, the human centered approach. So other courses teach basic psychological concepts like loss aversion and anchoring.
These are great, by the way, but they can only get you so far. Braincamp takes a deeper applied approach to psychology to give you a genuine edge on your competition.
So this table is really just regurgitating all that voice of customer in a really organized way so that my prospect can read this and have a really direct component of comparison for each hesitation they may have based on their prior experience of this kind or this category of offer. So as you can see, it makes the mental processing incredibly easy, right? Everything is here for this person. This column on the right is basically the justification that they can pass on to anyone else in their lives who they feel needs to hear it.
It also, of course, as I mentioned, helps, really appease the rational part of their decision making process.
Now importantly, whenever you do make these comparisons in your copy, you need to prove them right away. If you don’t, you’re simply seeing your prospect to trust what you say. If you’re able to prove the points as you make them, you’re closing that tap. Right. There’s no question then in your prospect’s mind about whether this is actually a legitimate claim.
They can see that these claims are being backed up by real life human beings.
In this case, because I have all that beautiful data from asking that question in my feedback form after the course is complete.
I’ve gone with testimonials. Right? And the testimonials that I’ve chosen to feature here speak directly to the points that I’m making above, and speak directly to those comparisons. Right? So people can see that there are other people who’ve been through this course, who ideally they know. Right? I’m also strategic here about who I’m featuring.
You can also do that too. So, for Braincamp in particular, given the most, commonly referenced competitor was Coffee School, I have picked people here who are possibly well known in that Coffee School realm. So we’ve got Kenny Williamson, we’ve got Nick Moors, we’ve got Christine Noriano, and also Amisha. So, you can also be strategic with that. Right? Because with your social proof, if your ideal prospect knows off or already knows likes and trust to some extent or maybe looks up to the person whose proof you’re featuring, that helps that proof land even more powerfully.
Anyway, that’s a bit of a side note. I could talk about social proof all day long.
But just remember that whenever you’re making these claims about how your offer is different and better for your ideal prospect, you are able to back them up with some sort of proof.
Now, of course, all that delicious data about how Braincamp is different and better for the right prospect, deserved more airtime than simply being on one portion of the sales page. So I had an email. This is from my twenty twenty launch of the offer. If you’d like to see, the full email, just let me know. As you can see it, it lives in my Google Drive so I can very easily share the link with you.
Bold subject line, something I would never say about my own offer, but something that, the voice of customer data says for me. So from a mindset perspective, it makes it so much easier for me to lead with this information. And again, it’s not that I think Braincamp is or was, you know, the top tier copywriting course in the whole world. It’s just that for a certain type of prospect, it was the best fit offer.
So that is what this email is all about. I won’t read it all, but I’ll read the first little bit just so you get the gist. One of the questions I ask people when they finish Braincamp is how did it compare to other copywriting courses you’ve taken? Which is a great question to ask when your office is in a crowded market because competition breeds comparison and being able to address it directly frees people up to say, okay.
Yep. This is what I need or, ah, okay. This isn’t the right option.
So with that in mind, here are twelve different answers to that question quite literally copy pasted in all their unedited glory. I really wanted to screenshot them to make them even more legitimate, but the text got really teeny tiny so I’m rolling with plan b. This first one is from copywriter Amy Williamson.
So I know I’m like a total fan girl and all, but this is at the very least equal with copy school. Probably it’s better to be honest. Don’t tell Queen Weid. Kirsty, if you haven’t heard of copy school, don’t worry. I hadn’t either until a couple of years ago. It’s pretty much the gold standard of copywriting courses. Which means my imposter syndrome and I had a real fun time with that one.
Here’s another one from email copywriter Megan Baird. Well, the testimonial from the beta round of better than copy school was living over my head the whole time. Can’t say that she was wrong. It’s also completely different from any other copywriting course. I’ve taken a lot of them. I think the biggest difference was that it was neither skill only like copy school or biz only like accelerator. It was also like an added bonus that all of the site copywriting skill you taught could also be applied to my own business.
Brain camp was also a lot less copy paste in a good way. I admit that I’ve watched other courses at one point two five times speed and then relied on the templates or swipe.
That so did not work at Braincamp. I’ve already rewatched all the videos just to absorb more info. Probably because on the first round of watching, it just kept sparking ideas to my own business. So second watch was more how to apply this to my work.
Oh, and it felt more like a mastermind than a course. The size of the group plus the quality of the ladies. Well, that sounds bad. Plus how flexible you were with helping us out.
Never been in a course like that before. Just the fact that the same group of us kept showing up to every zone call that really says something.
Now I won’t keep reading, but as you can see, what I’ve done here is literally copy pasted people’s responses to that question, and I have highlighted, the competing offers so that if someone is in the position of deciding between copy school and Braincamp or between the copywriter club accelerator and Braincamp or between one of Tarzan’s courses and Braincamp, they can go to the piece that feels relevant and they can hear from someone just like them. Right? That is where your social proof is most powerful.
Now, I’ve also included lots of answers to this question, because, again, when it comes to social proof, the more you have, the more powerfully you can actually make the point. Right? There’s there just becomes such a small amount of room for any doubt that what you’re saying is true.
So a couple of side notes there on social proof. But again, the thing that I’m really doing here is really directly comparing the offer to other available options and highlighting all the ways it’s different and better for my ideal prospect. Right? I’m doing the hard work for them of having to think through and compare.
Oh, what about this option? What about that option? Would this actually be better for me? Here’s some hard data from people who’ve already done the course, who have maybe also done the other things that you’ve invested in or thought about investing in, and here’s what they have to say.
So just wanted to show you that as another way to illustrate how powerful this can be.
This email absolutely triggered a waterfall of sales, for Braincamp when I sent it. It was incredibly powerful stuff.
I wanted to also show you another example, of some copy I wrote for a client. It’d be good few years ago now.
But what you’re looking at here is, the client sales page. This was Amber McHugh, who if you work with coaches, you know, you’re familiar with.
This was for her mastermind, called Freshly Implemented.
This was what her sales page looked like before I worked with her.
Also a hot tip if you’re not already screenshotting or recording copy assets that you’re about to work on before you actually optimize them, start doing it. It’s so powerful to have the fors and afters. Quick side note. Over. Okay. So as you can see here, her previous copywriter had, realized that it was important to talk about how this offer is different and better than others that her ideal prospect might have tried before.
The way that they’ve done it isn’t as powerful as it could be. So this is why I wanna show you how you can optimize this information. Right? So this section here, what makes Freshly Implemented so different?
I know that you’ve done a lot of classes and courses in the past and you are dubious to add on another one. There is one thing you need to know. This isn’t a class. I’m not here to give you a bunch of advice you don’t need or add to your to do list.
You’ve been buying get it done mugs and filling up notebooks full of ideas and action steps for years. Now is the time to bring those business ideas and dreams to life. Let me show you how to get it done with these four areas of focus. Time plus strategy plus accountability plus implementation.
Now I won’t read the details, in here, but as you can see, there’s a little call out box for each one of those points of difference.
And for the record, like, these things, the time, the strategy, the accountability, and the implementation were definitely things that came through in the voice of customer data in terms of how freshly implemented was different and better, in terms of other courses or masterminds they tried for their businesses previously.
But as you can see, the the way that this these points are presented is it’s not actually done in direct comparison.
Right? They’re talking about features in a way that is not anchored against anything else. So what they’re really doing here is leaving a lot of space for the prospect to have to do their own mental arithmetic. Right? To join the dots between how this compares to other things they’ve tried or thought about trying before.
Even the formatting of this copy is not optimized. Right? We think about the comparison table I showed you for the Braincamp sales page, that really just takes a mental load off your prospect. Right? You present present it to them in a really easily digestible format.
All they need to do is repeat across the bullet points. This does not do that. Right? So the comparison here is weaker even though copywriter here has actually been able to really identify the pieces of the puzzle that matter. The way they’re talking about them and communicating them isn’t as effective as it could be.
For comparison, here is the point of the bit of the sales page, after I rewrote it that tackles that same piece of the puzzle.
What makes Freshly Implemented different and better than all the other masterminds out there? Girl, I’m so glad you asked. Other online programs, the alternative.
Give you a bunch of ideas and frameworks focusing on the what rather than the how. Freshly implemented for smart CEOs like you focuses strongly on implementation, helping you find the best approach for your current challenge and supporting you as you put it into action, sticking firmly by your side until you get it right.
Other online programs keep the face of the program locked up behind closed doors, only granting you access through pre recorded trainings and the occasional Facebook live.
Freshly Implemented offers one to one on the fly access to me and my amazing fresh mentors So you get true coaching and consulting. This comes to you through back pocket TLCs, open studio hours, speed masterminding and a text me when you need me policy.
Seriously, I give you my phone number right from the get go. Now I won’t keep reading, but hopefully, you can already see how much more powerful this information is when the comparisons are made directly. Right? When they’re called out as they are, honing in on still the same things that matter. Right? But just making the information, a lot more easily digestible for the prospect reading through this page.
Again, scrolling all the way down. I mean, there’s lots of points here. And, again, these were all, given to me through asking that same simple question, in, the voice of customer surveys. And also I got some other richer data through doing, the voice of customer interviews.
But it’s so easy to get a handle on this stuff. The copy pretty much writes itself.
It’s just knowing what to do with it and not being shy about getting quite bold with it. Right? Really spelling out how your offer is different and better for the right person.
Again, there’s proof, to back these points up right underneath the comparison table so that all great information above is not there on a trust basis. Like trust these claims because I’m making them, these claims are then immediately after being proven through testimonials.
So, for example, this first one here before Fresh, I just invested twenty thousand in a membership in a mentorship program that completely disappointed me.
This then goes on to talk about, the results she got out of being inside of freshly implemented.
So that you can see, you know, this person has actually invested in some of these other options before and not got results, but with Fresh that that story was different.
There are a few more testimonials there that I won’t go into, but just want you to see that I’m improving these points as I’m making them so that those comparisons aren’t just hearsay for your prospect. They’re real. Right? They’re being proven.
That tab is being closed. There’s no room for doubts and hesitations. And again, you’re moving closely in that straight line towards your prospect saying yes to your offer.
Okay.
The final little side note that I wanted to leave you with was that comparisons also help us make sense of the world, which is a handy fact to keep in mind if your prospect is new to your kind or category of offer or if your offer is a brand new concept.
So again, as a really everyday example, I won’t talk about, the bread aisle again, but, a few weeks ago, I think it was now my oldest who’s three, he asked me what a donkey was. What’s a donkey?
He’s never seen a donkey before. I think maybe it was in a book that we were reading or a puzzle we were doing. I can’t remember. Anyway, the way I answered his question was taking something he already knew and talking about comparison points.
So he knows what a horse is. He’s seen a horse before. He’s been reading about horses in all sorts of books for many years. So I said, oh, donkeys are a bit like a horse, but they’re smaller, and they’ve got much bigger ears.
Now I’m sure there’s probably a better explanation out there about what a donkey is, but that was good enough for him. And it allowed him to really understand what a donkey was in some concrete terms because it took what he already knew and built on that knowledge using really simple comparisons.
So I mean, you’re probably not going to be using comparisons to explain what a donkey is in your copy. But of course, there may be a case where you are selling a mastermind to an audience of people who, for whatever reason, have never come across the term mastermind before. They don’t know what it is, but maybe they know what an online course is. If that’s the case, you can use comparisons to help build out their understanding to the point where they feel confident about the shape and the value of the offer they’re opting into.
It may also be for example that you’re dealing with an audience who doesn’t know what a custom GPT is, right? I’m sure that’s probably a much more probable scenario than someone who doesn’t know what a mastermind is. So again, taking what someone already knows and expanding that knowledge with the magic of comparisons.
So to put it another way, probably more succinctly because I wrote this rather than said it, the best approach here is to scaffold between what your prospect already understands and what they need to know to understand the value of the offer. So it’s just a really effective way to give someone a concrete understanding that again, they can share with other people if they need to. If they feel the need to justify their purchasing decision. If they want someone else to buy into the fact that they’re excited about buying this offer from you or from your client.
So just a really good thing to keep in mind.
Okay. The last thing that I want to just quickly touch on, before I end this workshop is the worksheet.
So you should already have access to this. If you don’t, I guess, let me know.
But what I have here are just some prompts for you. You may not need these, but just in case this helps you organize your data and organize your thoughts, lean into this. So four questions here for you. What other relevant or related offers has your ideal prospect tried or thought about trying before? Again, you can get this information from asking that one simple question in your voice of customer research.
If that for whatever reason is not available to you, some internet sleuthing would also allow you to do the same job.
Reddit is a great place where you might find, depending on what your offer is, some threads about it or its category of offer. So you can see what people are talking about and what things they have considered or tried before and how those stack up.
How did they miss the mark either in practice or in how they were perceived by your prospect? Again, that magic question in your voice of customer research will give you this data. This is just being able to organize it right into something that you can then very easily turn into copy.
How is your or your clients offer different and ideally better in relation to those points? Make each comparison as direct and specific as you can. So again, don’t be afraid to be really ballsy with this and lean on that voice of customer data, right? It is so much easier, to be able to share something someone else has said then and also also, we see more effective, than just to try and sift through your own brain and come up with the justifications and reasons and answers to this question here.
Finally, how can you prove some or all of those points of wealth? In the examples I’ve shared with you today, in both cases, that was via testimonials.
But, of course, there are other ways. So for example, let’s say you are selling a client’s online course and they have some sort of platform where, you can, you know, post questions and get support. And something that comes through in your research or in your feedback about that program is that that space is far more engaged and supportive, than other similar spaces they’ve been in before. So a way to prove that, in lieu of or in addition to testimonials would be, if you have permission from the people in the screenshot to take a screenshot of people asking for questions or asking for support within that space and getting really good, really quick, really valuable responses, right, from either other people in that space or from the person who actually heads up the program. That’s a really good way to prove that point.
If you are trying to prove how much the UX of your app, for example, or your client’s app, is better than the other available apps that do a similar thing, it might be that, you have a demo or a video that walks someone through all those different things so they can see exactly how easy it is, to click through and, you know, achieve a certain thing, create a task, whatever that might look like. So there are different ways that you can prove points. The important thing is that you do it so that you are not asking your prospect to trust you as you say all the ways your offer is different and better for them. But you are demonstrating that the points that you are making are true and that they’ve come from the people who are in the know.
Okay.
That is it. Like I mentioned at the start, if you have any questions or if you want a second set of eyes on maybe a comparison table that you’re going to now go and write into your sales pages or an email that you’re going to send, whatever that might look like, please just reach out, tag me in Slack, and I would absolutely love to help you.
It’s such an easy and effective technique to leverage in your copy.
So yeah, I just hope you go forth and start using it ASAP. I would love to hear how it goes. I would love to hear about the results you get. Okay.
That’s it for me.
I will see you in Slack. Bye.
Worksheet
Worksheet
Transcript
Hey, everyone. Very quickly before I dive into the content of the workshop, I just wanted to apologize for having to cancel last week’s workshop at such short notice.
Unfortunately, we had a very poorly timed stomach bug come through our families. So it was just, not a situation in which I could have fronted up for an hour on Zoom. Anyway, here we are with plan b. What’s going to happen here is I will be, sharing all the hows, the what’s, the whys, all the theories, some examples of how to leverage direct comparisons in your copy.
And if you have any questions on anything I share here today, if you want some help or a second set of eyes on how you’ve applied this to some copy you’re working on at the moment, or if you wanted to even talk about how we could take this practice from the world of copywriting and apply it to, for example, your sales calls, please just tag me in Slack and let me know. I would absolutely love to work through this kind of stuff with you. So don’t be shy in reaching out if you would like some help or some support. That’s exactly what I’m here for. Okay. On that note, let’s dive into the meat, of the workshop. Let me share my screen with you.
So as you know, today’s session is all about how to leverage direct comparisons to make your offer a really easy yes for your ideal prospect.
So very much building on this month’s theme of straight line copywriting.
Now the best place to start with this stuff is to really highlight the fact that when it comes to decision making, our brains absolutely love comparisons.
Why? Well, quite simply it’s because they allow us to assign value to the options that are in front of us and therefore make a really informed decision.
They help appease the rational part of our brain. If you’ve ever read Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow, you’ll know that, we typically make decisions, relating to all sorts of things, including what to purchase based on the rational part and the emotional part of our brain. So there are two different systems at play. Comparisons really appeal to that rational part of your prospect’s brain. Because what they allow us to do very easily is have a justification for why we’ve made the purchasing decision. And importantly, it’s one that your prospect can really easily share with others in their life.
So if the offer that you’re writing copy for is something where your prospect will need to justify their decision to perhaps their boss or their team, maybe their spouse, maybe their friends, maybe their peers, This tactic and this approach of leveraging direct comparisons is actually incredibly beneficial because it gives people the data which they can easily use for that purpose. Right? They feel really confident in sharing why they chose this offer above, other options on the market or why they think this will actually work when perhaps previous purchases in the same realm have not delivered the outcome that they were after. So keep that in mind, as we move forward from here.
Now, of course, we’ll be talking about how direct comparisons apply to the kind of offers that you’re writing copy for. But I think just to get you in the headspace of getting a feel for or realising how these things come into play in everyday life.
We want you here for a minute to think about the bread aisle at your local supermarket.
Now, depending on where you are in the world and how big your city or your town is, your supermarket bread section may not look like this.
The one up the road from me here in Sydney absolutely does. I would say it’s probably even larger than this. There must be close to a hundred different options at least, of bread. Now if you are to leave this recording and go and ask your housemate, your partner, your kid if they’re old enough, hey like what what kind of bread do you choose when you go to the supermarket and can you tell me why?
I guarantee you they are going to have a list of factors in there that are comparative. So that are comparing their bread of choice to other options that are there on the shelf. So for example, and it’s quite sad that I know this much detail about my husband, but I know that whenever he goes to the supermarket, the loaf that he chooses is always just the generic supermarket brand wholemeal bread. And I know that he chooses that because he likes it.
It has more fiber than white bread, right? He’s healthier moves things along, I guess.
And also he likes it because it has less, of those, like, seedy or grainy bits compared to, the whole grain bread. Also, I know that he likes it because of the size of the slices and the way that they fit into our oldest kids lunchbox.
So as I’m talking through this, I mean, yes, those are no pedantic things to be thinking about, but that’s how he justifies his decision. That’s how he has watched the place of knowing that that is his top choice of life. Now, of course, the reasons that you have or the reasons that the people in your life might have for their particular choice of bread are going to be different because different things matter to different people.
The point is that if you drill down enough into someone’s choice of bread, you will get to a point where they are able to articulate why they choose it in relation to other options. So how they think their choice of loaf is different and better than other things that they could have chosen instead.
So the point that I’m trying to make here is that value is relative, right? So it only exists in relation to other options and it’s also subjective. So what matters to me is going to be different to what matters to you in most cases.
So this means that we’re better able to illustrate the value of an offer when we actively compare it to options instead of talking about it in isolation, honing in on the aspects that actually matter to our ideal prospect, right, rather than trying to prove some sort of global superiority.
So two really important points here. Right? We need to compare options to other available alternatives, right, in order to help someone understand in a really concrete, aidable way why something is a different and better option for them given what they value in the thing that we’re talking about.
Now it’s really important that when you are leveraging direct comparisons in your copy, you are really focused on what actually matters for your ideal prospect. If you try and take this a step above and go sort of a step higher and you try to prove some sort of global superiority, like, well, this is simply just the best offer on the market for anyone, you’re going to get tripped up. Because of course, the thing that makes your offer the best fit for your ideal prospect is going to make it not the best fit for the people who aren’t your ideal prospect. Right?
And that’s good. That’s why niches exist. That’s why specificity sells. Right? I also think there is a mindset hurdle that you would also come up against if you were to try and prove that your offer is just absolutely the best flat out regardless of who it’s serving.
So really stick to what the data tells you about your ideal prospect, what they care about, and how your offer responds to that, or how your offer serves those things, those points of difference.
So on that note, if you are not already asking this question in your voice of customer research, start.
How does insert your offer compared to other insert the category of your offer things you’ve tried or thought about trying before? So for example, how does CopySchool Professional compare to other copywriting masterminds you’ve tried or thought about trying before?
How does ConvertKit or KIP I think they are now calling it compare to other email marketing platforms you’ve tried or thought about trying before?
Asking this question alone will get you such rich data and will get you all the information you need to actually go ahead and make really effective comparisons in your copy. It will unearth who your competitors are and also how your offer is different and better in the ways that matter who your ideal prospect. So this question unearth some absolute gold. So if you’re not already asking it, again, please start folding it into your research process.
If you’re looking at this and you’re thinking, oh, that doesn’t quite fit with the project I’m working on, because I know that my ideal prospect hasn’t actually invested in a solution, for this problem or this challenge or to work towards this outcome before, this question may serve you better. What stopped you from getting help with this kind of thing before? So what this will do is help you pinpoint and uncover objections or perceived faults or flaws with available offers that ideally your offer can speak to. Right? You can say, oh, well, actually, you know, you might be worried about x. Here’s what our offer does in that respect that is different and better. So what you’re doing here is making a really clear case for your offer in a great fit in all the ways that matter.
Now I wanna show you a real world example of what this looks like, so you can see how easy and how powerful it is in copy.
So what you’re looking at here, is a spreadsheet I’ve just exported from one of my type forms, a bunch of responses to this question, which is one that has existed historically in my feedback form for a copywriting course that I’ve recently retired.
So don’t worry. I’m not trying to sell you on this. It’s just, it’s just a really good example of direct comparisons. And I think because we are mostly copywriters in here, it might be helpful because you probably know some of these competitors. Right? And certainly you will know copy school.
So as you can see here, the question I ask in the survey is how did it compare to other copywriting courses you’ve taken. Right? So I’m asking about how this offer compared to other offers in the same category.
So you can probably already see that even where there are no competitors mentioned or where there are no direct comparisons drawn, There’s some really juicy, voice of customer here that I can obviously leverage to help someone offer through testimonials. So even the second response here, like brain camp is the only copywriting course you need. That’s a very powerful headline to be able to leverage somewhere. It’s a very powerful point of social proof. And often, you know, down here, you know, Braincamp is where I’m with the best copywriting course I’ve ever taken.
I did something strange there. There we go. Sorry.
So just also to highlight that as well as giving you all the data you need to make the comparisons really actively in your copy between your offer and other available alternatives, this question can also yield just some super powerful social proof that will really help position and sell your offer in a really effective way.
Now what I’ve done here, as you can probably see, every time someone has mentioned a competitor or a competing offer, I have put that in orange.
You know, you can see Sarah Turner’s Right Away to Freedom, copy school comes up a few times. Kate Toon, copy hackers.
I think there’s also some reference to the copywriter think sorry. The copywriter club think tank, yeah, Accelerator. I think Tarzan gets mentioned somewhere in here as well.
So, you know, a lot of big names, but also a lot of clarity for me on who or what else my ideal prospect is considering or has tried before when it comes to investing money towards this goal or towards solving the problem or not feeling like they are a really confident effective copywriter.
So that information is incredibly useful because it gives me those direct comparison points that I can leverage.
The pieces of, these feedback, snippets that are in green, the ways in which these prospects or these customers have identified Braincamp as being a better, more appealing option for them. Now again, I’m not focused here on trying to prove that Braincamp is the best copywriting course ever. I’m really using this question to understand what matters to my ideal prospect and how Braincamp is a best fit option for them. Because I know without a doubt that there are many, many, many people for whom Braincamp would not be the best fit.
And that’s great. I don’t want to attract them to the offer. I actually want to weed them out by highlighting these points so I can draw the right people in We’ll let the other people off the book. Right?
If it’s not the best fit for them, it doesn’t serve either of us for them to actually come in and join the program.
So as you can perhaps see, a lot of the pieces in green make the same points. So more holistic human centric understanding of copywriting, more focused on sales psychology, much more human centered.
There is also a lot of reference to the fact, that, for example, the Slack chat in workshops was so intimate and every question I had got answered.
The intimacy and attention afforded by the small group nature of this course blew away every other copywriting course I’ve taken. So a lot of the points are really similar, which is great, right? When you start seeing those patterns in your voice of customer data, you know you are hitting on something.
So I won’t spend much more time going through this raw data here. What I really want you to take away from having a quick squeeze at this spreadsheet, I mean, look at so many responses here, is that, this simple question gives you all the information you need. Right? It’s then so easy to take this and put it into copy and put it in a format that is incredibly easy for your prospects mind to grab a hold of and pull into their decision making process. So if you’re wondering, okay, what does that look like?
My favorite way to illustrate how an offer is different and better is by writing copy into a comparison table.
Very simple, very effective.
So I’ll have a I’ll do a quick, little scroll of this section of Brain Camp sales page.
I know there are a lot of other copywriting courses out there on the interwebs. Your time is precious and money doesn’t grow on trees. So chances are you’re wondering why you should invest in this one. This handy little table is here to help. Now as you can see, even with this headline, I’m being very direct and very upfront about the fact that, yeah, I’m sure you’re looking at other options or maybe you’ve bought other copywriting courses before and you’ve been underwhelmed by, you know, what’s been waiting for you inside or the kind of results they’ve helped you achieve. I’m addressing the elephant in the room head on, because if I don’t, I can’t effectively talk to or demonstrate how this offer is different and better for the ideal prospect. So don’t be afraid to be really direct.
It’s a much more powerful tactic if you are able to just be really matter of fact and straight to the point.
Now as you can see here, one column here is devoted to other courses, and these points are all pulled from that data in terms of what people found disappointing or lacking about some of the other courses they had tried before.
This column on the right here is all the ways in which Braincamp is different and better on those points. So I put in here all the bits that matter based on that voice of customer research, and they’re all here as direct points of comparison. So for example, you would have seen, in that spreadsheet that I showed you a minute ago that there was quite a bit of, feedback on the fact that the intimate nature of the course was really valuable. So of course, there’s a point in here about that. So other courses have ginormous cohorts, little opportunity for one to one attention.
Brain camp has just twenty five spots up for grabs. By the end of week, we’ll know each other’s names and niches. By the end of week twelve, we’ll probably have matching hats. If you want to need one to one attention, all you need to do is hit me up in Slack, send me a copy for critique, or ask me a question during one of our live workshops.
Of course, I could read all of these out to you. Let me just pick another one just for reference. So, I think one of the other points I called out when I was going through those responses, in the Google Sheet were that people liked the deeper psychological approach, the human centered approach. So other courses teach basic psychological concepts like loss aversion and anchoring.
These are great, by the way, but they can only get you so far. Braincamp takes a deeper applied approach to psychology to give you a genuine edge on your competition.
So this table is really just regurgitating all that voice of customer in a really organized way so that my prospect can read this and have a really direct component of comparison for each hesitation they may have based on their prior experience of this kind or this category of offer. So as you can see, it makes the mental processing incredibly easy, right? Everything is here for this person. This column on the right is basically the justification that they can pass on to anyone else in their lives who they feel needs to hear it.
It also, of course, as I mentioned, helps, really appease the rational part of their decision making process.
Now importantly, whenever you do make these comparisons in your copy, you need to prove them right away. If you don’t, you’re simply seeing your prospect to trust what you say. If you’re able to prove the points as you make them, you’re closing that tap. Right. There’s no question then in your prospect’s mind about whether this is actually a legitimate claim.
They can see that these claims are being backed up by real life human beings.
In this case, because I have all that beautiful data from asking that question in my feedback form after the course is complete.
I’ve gone with testimonials. Right? And the testimonials that I’ve chosen to feature here speak directly to the points that I’m making above, and speak directly to those comparisons. Right? So people can see that there are other people who’ve been through this course, who ideally they know. Right? I’m also strategic here about who I’m featuring.
You can also do that too. So, for Braincamp in particular, given the most, commonly referenced competitor was Coffee School, I have picked people here who are possibly well known in that Coffee School realm. So we’ve got Kenny Williamson, we’ve got Nick Moors, we’ve got Christine Noriano, and also Amisha. So, you can also be strategic with that. Right? Because with your social proof, if your ideal prospect knows off or already knows likes and trust to some extent or maybe looks up to the person whose proof you’re featuring, that helps that proof land even more powerfully.
Anyway, that’s a bit of a side note. I could talk about social proof all day long.
But just remember that whenever you’re making these claims about how your offer is different and better for your ideal prospect, you are able to back them up with some sort of proof.
Now, of course, all that delicious data about how Braincamp is different and better for the right prospect, deserved more airtime than simply being on one portion of the sales page. So I had an email. This is from my twenty twenty launch of the offer. If you’d like to see, the full email, just let me know. As you can see it, it lives in my Google Drive so I can very easily share the link with you.
Bold subject line, something I would never say about my own offer, but something that, the voice of customer data says for me. So from a mindset perspective, it makes it so much easier for me to lead with this information. And again, it’s not that I think Braincamp is or was, you know, the top tier copywriting course in the whole world. It’s just that for a certain type of prospect, it was the best fit offer.
So that is what this email is all about. I won’t read it all, but I’ll read the first little bit just so you get the gist. One of the questions I ask people when they finish Braincamp is how did it compare to other copywriting courses you’ve taken? Which is a great question to ask when your office is in a crowded market because competition breeds comparison and being able to address it directly frees people up to say, okay.
Yep. This is what I need or, ah, okay. This isn’t the right option.
So with that in mind, here are twelve different answers to that question quite literally copy pasted in all their unedited glory. I really wanted to screenshot them to make them even more legitimate, but the text got really teeny tiny so I’m rolling with plan b. This first one is from copywriter Amy Williamson.
So I know I’m like a total fan girl and all, but this is at the very least equal with copy school. Probably it’s better to be honest. Don’t tell Queen Weid. Kirsty, if you haven’t heard of copy school, don’t worry. I hadn’t either until a couple of years ago. It’s pretty much the gold standard of copywriting courses. Which means my imposter syndrome and I had a real fun time with that one.
Here’s another one from email copywriter Megan Baird. Well, the testimonial from the beta round of better than copy school was living over my head the whole time. Can’t say that she was wrong. It’s also completely different from any other copywriting course. I’ve taken a lot of them. I think the biggest difference was that it was neither skill only like copy school or biz only like accelerator. It was also like an added bonus that all of the site copywriting skill you taught could also be applied to my own business.
Brain camp was also a lot less copy paste in a good way. I admit that I’ve watched other courses at one point two five times speed and then relied on the templates or swipe.
That so did not work at Braincamp. I’ve already rewatched all the videos just to absorb more info. Probably because on the first round of watching, it just kept sparking ideas to my own business. So second watch was more how to apply this to my work.
Oh, and it felt more like a mastermind than a course. The size of the group plus the quality of the ladies. Well, that sounds bad. Plus how flexible you were with helping us out.
Never been in a course like that before. Just the fact that the same group of us kept showing up to every zone call that really says something.
Now I won’t keep reading, but as you can see, what I’ve done here is literally copy pasted people’s responses to that question, and I have highlighted, the competing offers so that if someone is in the position of deciding between copy school and Braincamp or between the copywriter club accelerator and Braincamp or between one of Tarzan’s courses and Braincamp, they can go to the piece that feels relevant and they can hear from someone just like them. Right? That is where your social proof is most powerful.
Now, I’ve also included lots of answers to this question, because, again, when it comes to social proof, the more you have, the more powerfully you can actually make the point. Right? There’s there just becomes such a small amount of room for any doubt that what you’re saying is true.
So a couple of side notes there on social proof. But again, the thing that I’m really doing here is really directly comparing the offer to other available options and highlighting all the ways it’s different and better for my ideal prospect. Right? I’m doing the hard work for them of having to think through and compare.
Oh, what about this option? What about that option? Would this actually be better for me? Here’s some hard data from people who’ve already done the course, who have maybe also done the other things that you’ve invested in or thought about investing in, and here’s what they have to say.
So just wanted to show you that as another way to illustrate how powerful this can be.
This email absolutely triggered a waterfall of sales, for Braincamp when I sent it. It was incredibly powerful stuff.
I wanted to also show you another example, of some copy I wrote for a client. It’d be good few years ago now.
But what you’re looking at here is, the client sales page. This was Amber McHugh, who if you work with coaches, you know, you’re familiar with.
This was for her mastermind, called Freshly Implemented.
This was what her sales page looked like before I worked with her.
Also a hot tip if you’re not already screenshotting or recording copy assets that you’re about to work on before you actually optimize them, start doing it. It’s so powerful to have the fors and afters. Quick side note. Over. Okay. So as you can see here, her previous copywriter had, realized that it was important to talk about how this offer is different and better than others that her ideal prospect might have tried before.
The way that they’ve done it isn’t as powerful as it could be. So this is why I wanna show you how you can optimize this information. Right? So this section here, what makes Freshly Implemented so different?
I know that you’ve done a lot of classes and courses in the past and you are dubious to add on another one. There is one thing you need to know. This isn’t a class. I’m not here to give you a bunch of advice you don’t need or add to your to do list.
You’ve been buying get it done mugs and filling up notebooks full of ideas and action steps for years. Now is the time to bring those business ideas and dreams to life. Let me show you how to get it done with these four areas of focus. Time plus strategy plus accountability plus implementation.
Now I won’t read the details, in here, but as you can see, there’s a little call out box for each one of those points of difference.
And for the record, like, these things, the time, the strategy, the accountability, and the implementation were definitely things that came through in the voice of customer data in terms of how freshly implemented was different and better, in terms of other courses or masterminds they tried for their businesses previously.
But as you can see, the the way that this these points are presented is it’s not actually done in direct comparison.
Right? They’re talking about features in a way that is not anchored against anything else. So what they’re really doing here is leaving a lot of space for the prospect to have to do their own mental arithmetic. Right? To join the dots between how this compares to other things they’ve tried or thought about trying before.
Even the formatting of this copy is not optimized. Right? We think about the comparison table I showed you for the Braincamp sales page, that really just takes a mental load off your prospect. Right? You present present it to them in a really easily digestible format.
All they need to do is repeat across the bullet points. This does not do that. Right? So the comparison here is weaker even though copywriter here has actually been able to really identify the pieces of the puzzle that matter. The way they’re talking about them and communicating them isn’t as effective as it could be.
For comparison, here is the point of the bit of the sales page, after I rewrote it that tackles that same piece of the puzzle.
What makes Freshly Implemented different and better than all the other masterminds out there? Girl, I’m so glad you asked. Other online programs, the alternative.
Give you a bunch of ideas and frameworks focusing on the what rather than the how. Freshly implemented for smart CEOs like you focuses strongly on implementation, helping you find the best approach for your current challenge and supporting you as you put it into action, sticking firmly by your side until you get it right.
Other online programs keep the face of the program locked up behind closed doors, only granting you access through pre recorded trainings and the occasional Facebook live.
Freshly Implemented offers one to one on the fly access to me and my amazing fresh mentors So you get true coaching and consulting. This comes to you through back pocket TLCs, open studio hours, speed masterminding and a text me when you need me policy.
Seriously, I give you my phone number right from the get go. Now I won’t keep reading, but hopefully, you can already see how much more powerful this information is when the comparisons are made directly. Right? When they’re called out as they are, honing in on still the same things that matter. Right? But just making the information, a lot more easily digestible for the prospect reading through this page.
Again, scrolling all the way down. I mean, there’s lots of points here. And, again, these were all, given to me through asking that same simple question, in, the voice of customer surveys. And also I got some other richer data through doing, the voice of customer interviews.
But it’s so easy to get a handle on this stuff. The copy pretty much writes itself.
It’s just knowing what to do with it and not being shy about getting quite bold with it. Right? Really spelling out how your offer is different and better for the right person.
Again, there’s proof, to back these points up right underneath the comparison table so that all great information above is not there on a trust basis. Like trust these claims because I’m making them, these claims are then immediately after being proven through testimonials.
So, for example, this first one here before Fresh, I just invested twenty thousand in a membership in a mentorship program that completely disappointed me.
This then goes on to talk about, the results she got out of being inside of freshly implemented.
So that you can see, you know, this person has actually invested in some of these other options before and not got results, but with Fresh that that story was different.
There are a few more testimonials there that I won’t go into, but just want you to see that I’m improving these points as I’m making them so that those comparisons aren’t just hearsay for your prospect. They’re real. Right? They’re being proven.
That tab is being closed. There’s no room for doubts and hesitations. And again, you’re moving closely in that straight line towards your prospect saying yes to your offer.
Okay.
The final little side note that I wanted to leave you with was that comparisons also help us make sense of the world, which is a handy fact to keep in mind if your prospect is new to your kind or category of offer or if your offer is a brand new concept.
So again, as a really everyday example, I won’t talk about, the bread aisle again, but, a few weeks ago, I think it was now my oldest who’s three, he asked me what a donkey was. What’s a donkey?
He’s never seen a donkey before. I think maybe it was in a book that we were reading or a puzzle we were doing. I can’t remember. Anyway, the way I answered his question was taking something he already knew and talking about comparison points.
So he knows what a horse is. He’s seen a horse before. He’s been reading about horses in all sorts of books for many years. So I said, oh, donkeys are a bit like a horse, but they’re smaller, and they’ve got much bigger ears.
Now I’m sure there’s probably a better explanation out there about what a donkey is, but that was good enough for him. And it allowed him to really understand what a donkey was in some concrete terms because it took what he already knew and built on that knowledge using really simple comparisons.
So I mean, you’re probably not going to be using comparisons to explain what a donkey is in your copy. But of course, there may be a case where you are selling a mastermind to an audience of people who, for whatever reason, have never come across the term mastermind before. They don’t know what it is, but maybe they know what an online course is. If that’s the case, you can use comparisons to help build out their understanding to the point where they feel confident about the shape and the value of the offer they’re opting into.
It may also be for example that you’re dealing with an audience who doesn’t know what a custom GPT is, right? I’m sure that’s probably a much more probable scenario than someone who doesn’t know what a mastermind is. So again, taking what someone already knows and expanding that knowledge with the magic of comparisons.
So to put it another way, probably more succinctly because I wrote this rather than said it, the best approach here is to scaffold between what your prospect already understands and what they need to know to understand the value of the offer. So it’s just a really effective way to give someone a concrete understanding that again, they can share with other people if they need to. If they feel the need to justify their purchasing decision. If they want someone else to buy into the fact that they’re excited about buying this offer from you or from your client.
So just a really good thing to keep in mind.
Okay. The last thing that I want to just quickly touch on, before I end this workshop is the worksheet.
So you should already have access to this. If you don’t, I guess, let me know.
But what I have here are just some prompts for you. You may not need these, but just in case this helps you organize your data and organize your thoughts, lean into this. So four questions here for you. What other relevant or related offers has your ideal prospect tried or thought about trying before? Again, you can get this information from asking that one simple question in your voice of customer research.
If that for whatever reason is not available to you, some internet sleuthing would also allow you to do the same job.
Reddit is a great place where you might find, depending on what your offer is, some threads about it or its category of offer. So you can see what people are talking about and what things they have considered or tried before and how those stack up.
How did they miss the mark either in practice or in how they were perceived by your prospect? Again, that magic question in your voice of customer research will give you this data. This is just being able to organize it right into something that you can then very easily turn into copy.
How is your or your clients offer different and ideally better in relation to those points? Make each comparison as direct and specific as you can. So again, don’t be afraid to be really ballsy with this and lean on that voice of customer data, right? It is so much easier, to be able to share something someone else has said then and also also, we see more effective, than just to try and sift through your own brain and come up with the justifications and reasons and answers to this question here.
Finally, how can you prove some or all of those points of wealth? In the examples I’ve shared with you today, in both cases, that was via testimonials.
But, of course, there are other ways. So for example, let’s say you are selling a client’s online course and they have some sort of platform where, you can, you know, post questions and get support. And something that comes through in your research or in your feedback about that program is that that space is far more engaged and supportive, than other similar spaces they’ve been in before. So a way to prove that, in lieu of or in addition to testimonials would be, if you have permission from the people in the screenshot to take a screenshot of people asking for questions or asking for support within that space and getting really good, really quick, really valuable responses, right, from either other people in that space or from the person who actually heads up the program. That’s a really good way to prove that point.
If you are trying to prove how much the UX of your app, for example, or your client’s app, is better than the other available apps that do a similar thing, it might be that, you have a demo or a video that walks someone through all those different things so they can see exactly how easy it is, to click through and, you know, achieve a certain thing, create a task, whatever that might look like. So there are different ways that you can prove points. The important thing is that you do it so that you are not asking your prospect to trust you as you say all the ways your offer is different and better for them. But you are demonstrating that the points that you are making are true and that they’ve come from the people who are in the know.
Okay.
That is it. Like I mentioned at the start, if you have any questions or if you want a second set of eyes on maybe a comparison table that you’re going to now go and write into your sales pages or an email that you’re going to send, whatever that might look like, please just reach out, tag me in Slack, and I would absolutely love to help you.
It’s such an easy and effective technique to leverage in your copy.
So yeah, I just hope you go forth and start using it ASAP. I would love to hear how it goes. I would love to hear about the results you get. Okay.
That’s it for me.
I will see you in Slack. Bye.
How to Go from Zero to Full Certainty When Launching a New Product
How to Go from Zero to Full Certainty
When Launching a New Product
Transcript
So, yeah, so you wanna create that you know, you wanna start pulling those emotional triggers by connecting with their pain points, letting them know that, hey. You know what? If you are overwhelmed with how disorganized your home is, because of whatever, you know, like or, you know, let’s say you got the the quiz result that shows that you’re currently feeling extremely overwhelmed because your home’s full of clutter, I have something for you. Right?
This is what I have, and this is something that I’ve created based on twelve years of experience as a home organizer dealing with exceptionally cluttered homes. And if I can help x number of families do that, I can help you too. So you’re connecting with their pain points. You’re introducing the offer early on in the conversation, and you’re creating certainty by establishing yourself.
When I say yourself, if you’re working for a client, establishing your client as the expert by helping by doing all of this really early on in the funnel, whether it’s a webinar, a quiz, whatever it is.
So here’s what what you need to know. And I’m sure all of you know this already, but we kind of need sometimes step away from it is people buy when they’re both excited about the outcome and when they’re convinced that it’s the right investment for them. So it’s both a right brain, left brain kind of a thing. We we want both of these things to happen, and that will happen when you are going ahead and building certainty in the product, in the seller, and then, of course, the brand.
So here’s an insight into my process. When I’m working on a launch of least resistance, I lean very heavily on, of course, the offer. And something that I do as part of my process is and I do that for all kinds of launches, not just this one, is I go through the course or the membership or whatever is from a first person, from a student point of view so I can see exactly what they’ll be seeing.
And then I also lean really, really heavily on brand affinity.
So if you’re not collecting information about why your clients’ clients are loyal to them or, you know, are connected with the brand, not just the client. Right? We’re talking about the brand. How do they run their business?
That’s something you wanna start doing, especially if you wanna use launches of least resistance. I firmly believe you should be doing it in any case, but these three factors really come into play because these would help you, a, remove objections, b, create that logical certainty, and, see have that direct conversation with confidence and without it feeling, pushy or salesy because that’s why straight line selling generally gets a bad respond you know, get gets a bad rap is because it’s considered very pushy, very, you know, like, oh, I’ve got but you wanna come at it from a place of confidence, and you can still use the principles to help your prospects make a decision that they’re excited about.
So, yeah, definitely collect start collecting. If you’re not doing it, start collecting data. And next time you’re working with a client on yes. What makes the product great? What makes the client an expert? But what is it about the brand that brings people back to them or even attracts them initially?
Next up, you wanna start building emotional and logical certainty with offer presentation.
So, again, something to remember, you wanna connect features to pain points. You wanna connect features to benefits.
Really, really important. Start using stories and examples that speak directly to the struggles that your audience is experiencing. I’ll give you a great example of this. So, where I was writing copy for, my client who’s an astrologer.
Right? So one of the things that her audience really struggled with was with two things that kept coming up. One was called armchair astrology. Now armchair astrology is where people are reading we call it armchair astrology.
Why? Because or they would call it armchair astrology because they would be sitting in a chair reading a book and then, you know, you would be expected to kind of know about astrology by reading a book. So it just doesn’t work that way, especially for serious astrologers, and I was amazed at how many serious astrologers there are.
So they really struggled with this on chair astrology approach where, you know, you just read and then you are expected to kind of just go ahead and give readings.
That was something that came up. And the second was that it’s very confusing.
It can be extremely confusing. Why? Because there’s so much of free information, and there are all of these bits and pieces that you’re, like, just kind of supposed to put together, but no one really shows you the full picture.
Or the courses that are out there are extremely long and overwhelming and confusing. Like, you’re just kinda watching, like, hours of videos.
We used the fact that her course had a shorter videos. So instead of saying shorter videos, you know, we connected it with the pinpoint of not them not having to sit through and watch hours of videos.
But, also, we told them that it’s an approach that goes again. That’s not armchair astrology because not only will they be learning, but they’ll also be implementing as they learn. So and then we backed it up with social proof. So we had stories of, you know, people who’d gone through the course.
Every single feature from the workbooks to the videos to the teaching assistants to the community, all of those are features, but every feature was linked to a struggle that our audience is experiencing. Feeling lost while practicing astrology? You don’t have to be. We have trained teaching assistants, and we have a community.
Feeling judged by others? Well, this is gonna be your judgment free space. Feeling overwhelmed, it’s literally, every objection, every pain was tackled and addressed while being honest with, with them. So you wanna use especially, again, in this case, every feature has to be linked to a pinpoint. Every feature, I very rarely say has, but if you’re using this launch model, you definitely wanna do this because it would work otherwise.
And you’d say you wanna use data, you wanna use testimonials, you wanna use case studies, but your features should be connected to a pinpoint or a benefit.
And like I said, you could do this with with any product. You’re selling email software, whether you’re selling a membership, whether you’re selling coaching, whether you’re selling your copywriting services.
Right? If you wanna start having a straight line conversation with your prospect, your features need to speak to the pain or a benefit. So you’re selling copywriting services.
If you’re sending them a questionnaire, why should they care? I mean, like, really, who wants to sit through sixty minutes of trying to fill out a questionnaire?
Is there a way you can repack reposition, repackage that to address either an objection or highlight a benefit?
Now this is specific to courses, but, again, or software and things like that. But you wanna demo the course. Like, one of the things that we do is we get we do an open house or we do an ask me anything or we do a behind the scenes, or we do a day in the life of one of our students, kind of an email that goes out, which includes a demo of the course.
Again, you can do it with your with SAS as well. You can even do it with copy, and I’ll tell you how in just a minute with your services because I’ve done this in the past.
Let me describe it.
So but what you wanna do is you wanna do it too as the final stage because by then, you’ve removed all of their objections, and now you wanna help them visualize themselves in the course using the service, using the product.
So things like, like I said, video tours, BDS, modules, or day in the life of a student, actually take them with you inside. So, again, going back to the astrology clients example, what we did was we gave them, we gave them access to, like, a course preview almost. That was that was amazing as a conversion mechanism. We gave them access to, I think, the first module, few lessons in there so they could, you know, actually go and see how all of the lessons flowed, that we weren’t just kidding when we were saying the lessons aren’t long or assert or aren’t longer than x minutes.
The worksheets, they had, like, the complete student experience.
I did the same thing, last year, with my program launch, for a ESL is I did a board I call it sales kitchen. It was a complete experience. We had, like, the we had a pop up group to give them the community feel. We had the a lesson that was taken directly from ready to sell and, you know, even the process and everything worked really, really well.
We had, like, almost a fifty percent conversion. Like, every fifty percent people who signed up for sales kitchen converted, which was great. And it’s a high ticket investment. Right?
It was it’s a three thousand dollar course. So claim being but keep it for keep the demo towards the final stage of the funnel. Copywriting services. One of the ways I do this is when I’m on a call, I walk my prospect through this exact same process by actually showing them the examples of the deliverables they’ll get.
So it helps them see what they’ll be getting. So I’m not just gonna say, oh, yeah. Yeah. I can do your sales page or I’ll do your email file or map out your ecosystem.
I actually show what an ecosystem would look like. I show what my messaging recommendations guide looks like. It’s like for most clients, it’s like almost forty, fifty pages of data and, you know, implementable suggestions and recommendations for content and things like that. It just blows people’s minds.
It might yeah. I rarely get pushback. Rarely.
I don’t even remember. Last time I got pushed back on price. Right? So, why? Because I walk I showed them that’s like the final stage.
I showed them exactly what they’re getting.
Next up, objection handling. This is gonna be one of the most important parts of this kind of a launch. So you wanna be really, really good at this. You wanna start writing your copy, whether for a sales pitch or for emails, with your list of objections in front of you.
I don’t want this. I don’t want this because. I don’t want this because. This will not work because.
This will not work because. You want that whole list of of objections right in front of you, and then you wanna just start going through them one by one by one and making sure that you’ve addressed all of them. So anticipating those concerns, whether it’s to do with themselves, because you’ll always have those inner you know, oh, I’m not ready, or I don’t have the right experience. I don’t have the right credentials.
Whatever. So you’ll always have this inner objections, but then you’ll also have the external ones. Don’t have the money. Don’t have the time.
And we’re you tried this before and it didn’t work. All those things. So you wanna just dismantle all of those through the funnel, through your sales page.
The goal here is for you to just on really digging into the objection beneath the objection.
Is it time? Is it overwhelm? Is it past experience? And instead of just addressing a few, address them all. Right? So you wanna say and before you your prospects even come back to you or, you know, like, oh, I don’t think this is gonna work for me because I don’t have time. Well, it’s only gonna take you ten minutes to watch a video and just another nine to eleven minutes to implement it.
Can you take out ten minutes of your day to make this happen? You could, like, watch it on your way to work.
You would literally address objections like that, whether it’s an email, whether it’s on a sales page.
You wanna start getting them to think and look at those and go, okay. Yeah. Of course, I can do that. I can watch ten a ten minute video.
Tell them you gotta you’ll you’ll have, like, seven modules.
Yep. That’s not gonna work. You tell them yes. I I know you’re thinking this is gonna be time consuming, but do you have ten minutes or nine minutes? Whatever.
Okay. This is, this is a technique taken from straight line selling, the straight line selling school call looping, where you revisit points of certainty, like the creator’s expertise, the course’s effectiveness, the brand’s track record as you address new objection set rise. So for example, someone comes in and says, yeah. I did a similar course or you, you know, in your funnel, you wanna address the you’ve seen this objection come up in the past that people have done this done similar courses, have not seen results.
You wanna remind them that this is not the way it was because this pre this course creator is different, because this brand is invested in ensuring that we, you know, we get you results because we have a guarantee that would work, that would kick in if you don’t see results.
So keep coming back to those points of certainty, which is why I said here. It’s really important for you to, yes, know how the course or the offer works. You wanna know have complete knowledge of your clients or your own expertise, and then, of course, the brand affinity as well because you would be wanting to use that and keep coming back to that to address objections and to increase and strengthen your prospect’s belief in your offer.
Okay. So things to consider when you’re strategizing this launch. Like, put this on a worksheet for the next launch. You wanna know pinpoints.
So okay. What specific challenges will you be talking about? How can you map those to the features? Right?
Consistent mess messaging. How will you keep the narrative unified and in a straight line across all stages of the funnel? You do not want to be going in five different directions here. One message is more important in this kind of a launch than in any other kind of launch.
So you wanna get really clear on that one message, that one theme, that one story line that you’ll be drawing from start to finish. Certainty building. How will you be building certainty and the main messaging angle across the sequence? How will you be creating certainty in your client, in the brand, all of that?
Objection handling, I’ve already kind of, yeah, beat the drum on this one, but preempting and addressing objections, all of them. You wanna know you wanna know all of the m. And you wanna know, okay, which features, which benefits will I be mapping here? Which how will I be using emotional and logical hooks so that I’m balancing the storytelling part but with data and proof?
So you wanna have these five, six elements in place in a document when you’re working on a launch of user assistance.
When you have these in place, it becomes so much easier for you to write the copy that would just go in a straight line in a straight line. Yeah. It’s really, it’s now here’s the thing. It sounds very simple, but it’s not.
It’s I found over the years with the hundreds and hundreds of launches that I’ve written for, it’s way easier to do a traditional launch because you have that you have the runway. You can build that, you know, the know, like, trust factor. But when you’re going in cold and you need to sell and you also need to do it without being pushy or, you know, like a typical salesperson.
You wanna be thoughtful and mindful and demure.
You would wanna keep keep these things in mind because that kind of helps you keep the conversation on track, but it is a little bit harder than a traditional launch because you’ve you’ve gotta keep it really tight across the funnel, your sales pitch and your emails.
That messaging is so, so important.
Okay. Yeah. Your job as a copywriter is to obviously keep the process moving forward by addressing their concerns. That is the one thing I want you to take away from this one is that your objection handling is gonna play a huge role.
The more control you have, the easier your close will be. And, again, this this will work, but, like I gave you example, this will work on a sales call. This will work with a webinar. This would work with a quiz.
A launch of least resistance is great where high ticket offers are involved and where an audience needs that extra persuasion.
Alright.
Cool.
Questions? I can see Katie’s hat is up.
Hi, Berna.
As always, I love your workshops.
They’re so meaty and, give us so much to go on.
So I have a couple of questions about implementing this.
One, you mentioned how this is different from, like, the traditional launch runway where you would do, you know, your your prelaunch runway. I’m curious, like, the objection handling, are you doing most of that? Like, is the difference the fact that here you’ve introduced the offer and then you’re handling objective objections, or are you handling those objections?
But, like, I I guess just what’s the sequence of handling the objections versus introducing the offer and kind of more, like, selling?
Yeah. So, yeah, in this case, you introduce the offer first.
So since you you’re in this pretty much same niche as I am with online course creators and coaches and consultants, with a traditional launch. You know how you do it. Right? You have, like, your prelaunch runway, and then you have, like, your launch mechanism kick in, then you have your cart open. You’ve got, like, a lot of room to kind of play with.
And you wanna address those objections before you like, typically, I’d wanna do that before I introduce the offer. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Here, what’s happening is you’re going in cold. You’re just going in straight for the sale, and you’re addressing your the objections, preempt preempting them and addressing them or, you know, like, your Okay.
In fact, for one of the launches, what I did was the sale the pitch email, like, generally, my pitch email is more of I call it the path for value pitch email. That’s why I call it, but because it has a lot of value in it, and then we are introducing the offer. But in launches of least resistance, what I do is it’s the offer and then the big objection that I know they would have, whether it’s cost or time or money. I’m just it’s like a whole series of objection demolition emails, and the sales page is structured the same way as well.
So there’s like yeah. Will work for me. You know? Don’t have the money. Don’t have the time.
Or, you know, like, tried this before or not ready.
Just yeah. So that’s how it’s structured.
And then so do you if you because I’m assuming that all of these principles that you were sharing, you’re using those both on the sales page and in the emails. Yes.
Does the sales page in this type of funnel also spend much time on, like, desires, dream state, or is it more like, here’s what we do and then boom boom boom?
So what does how the sales page differs from, say, a regular, maybe even a PS or a pays off or the, you know, the different frameworks that I I, kind of have developed over the years is there’s we talk about the pain.
That’s why the emotional certainty kind of comes in. So we, we tap into their pain and their struggle. Do we show them their desires? Yes.
But we tie it to a, a feature of the course. We tied we that’s where the logical certainty starts to build. It’s like, okay. You know, if you want more time freedom, this is how you’re gonna get it using a b c from the course.
So we are tapping into it, but it’s not the structure of the sales page is different. The structure of the sales page starts with the pain that they’re experiencing and how this particular offer is gonna solve that pain for them, with whatever framework, method, etcetera.
And then we go into their you know, maybe what they want, but also, again, that’s why it’s benefit first. So every feature is linked to a benefit, which is, in other words, a desire or an outcome, and then, of course, objection handling, all through the page.
Okay. Thank you. And if I may, could you just elaborate a bit on the looping technique? I didn’t quite understand.
I, you know, I know you said revisit points of certainty as you introduce new objections.
So could you just give an example of what that might look like?
Sure. So I’ll give you an example from okay. I’ll give you an example from sales calls. Right? So I whenever I’m on a sales call with clients, they’ve already you know?
The thing is, most of them are not cold because they’ve either found us through the our website or they’ve, at the very least, have sent us a contact form from the website. So it’s not that, like, they’re entirely cold, but I like using straight line sign for that because it’s a high ticket service. Like, they’re all five figure services. Right?
So how I use Looping is I they already know, my expertise. They know my experience. But what I always always do is I would have I would bring up case studies of clients who are from similar niches, or I would let them know if, if recently recorded a podcast somewhere or if I’ve spoken on stage somewhere. So I’m just building certainty because the big objection most people would have in hiring a strategist or a copywriter is either they’ve been booked before and which is, you know, usually when they come to us or maybe their launch hasn’t worked before or it’s their first time hiring, which is rare, but maybe. You know? So you wanna kind of loop back to, the fact that you’re the best person for this, and here’s why.
Okay. Does that help, Katie?
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. So just kind of, like, as you know or as we’ve seen or, you know, as I mentioned on this like, just reinforcing those points of certainty so that that’s an ongoing theme.
Yeah. Because you need again, like I said, you need to know what objections, like and after you’d you know, when you do a ton of sales calls, you know exactly what objections your prospect has. And similarly, with a program or a product or service, you know, what objections, you know, your clients would have. So you want to loop back to this.
So it’s not just, oh, let me just put my bio here on the sales page and think we’ve established trust and credibility, but you wanna loop back to it maybe, you know, in the social proof section. Maybe you wanna loop back to it in the FAQ section. Maybe you wanna loop back to it in the in the closing section of the sales page. So you wanna kind of keep coming back to so it’s not just a, let’s just put the bio here and call it a day, but how can we come back and establish certainty?
I’m just giving an example from, say, the credibility of the creator, but you could do that with pretty much any of the other elements as well.
Cool.
Any other questions?
Not even if not related to the training or if anyone’s got, like, copy or a review or things like that, we could dig into it.
I guess I have not necessarily, like, a question. So you mentioned that the course preview or some kind of showing them behind the scenes, that should go out in one of the last emails or at the end of the funnel.
And I usually do that in, like, email four or five.
And How how many emails? Like, how long does the emailed. So it’s in the in the middle. Okay.
Yeah. And then I have an FAQ email that’s emailed six out of eight.
Mhmm. Mhmm.
So I’m wondering if you’ve tested different placements in the promo structure to see which one works best.
Yeah. The reason I so, yeah, I actually have, and I have found I have, in fact, even tested not including FAQ emails. Yeah. Okay, Michelle. Bye.
Even not including FAQ emails in in a sequence because if you, a, addressed and answered most of the questions, you don’t really need an FAQ email. You could easily use that email for for something else.
Mhmm. And the reason why I feel and this is again, I’ve, Blanca, I’ve tested it only with audiences, like, in the online course world. And, That’s my niche as well. So Oh, amazing.
Okay. Great. So yeah. So then we’re in Concord. Okay.
So yeah.
The reason I find that it works really well by placing it towards the end is because by then, you’ve handled most of their objections. You’ve established trust. And now what you’re doing as the final step is helping them visualize themselves as a student in the course. It works beautifully. So for me, I’ve I’ve found you know, placing it towards the end of the funnel is that final little push that they need to kind of go, oh, wow. That’s good. That’s what my experience is gonna be like.
And do you just send them to the sales page where you have a section with that kind of behind the scenes video?
So we’ve done this different ways. We’ve done this with, by recording a like, just like an over the shoulder Loom walk through Mhmm. Of what the post dashboard looks like. We’ve also done this, like I shared, with with my course launch, you know, example where it was a complete experience where we invited them to a pop up group.
We had a full lesson that they needed to log in to Teachableforce. They had to be at a login and everything. So it was a complete student experience where, and we also did this with our astrologer client is that, you know, it was a complete student experience. You created an account.
Why? Because these are micro conversions. Right? Yeah. So it helps them get into that whole student mindset.
And then because, so with the astrologer client, in fact, what we did was really cool was because we had the whole course laid out, and they had unlocked access to this. So they could actually see what happens next. Right? And they all they had to do was upgrade.
So they just had to click the upgrade button. So that really helped as well. So we took this, like, in a few different ways. We’ve done this as an open house where literally, like, as a school or a college would do an open house, we would have, like, some students.
It it is a room Zoom room like this. There would be some students joining in, and then, you know, the the course creator would share screen, walk them through the course portal, show them the community, everything, and then they would have a q and a. They would have the chance to ask questions of the students as well. So it kind of depends on the audience you offer and, you know, of course, what your client’s willing to do, that kind of thing.
That’s cool. Thanks. I I now have a bunch of ideas to test for upcoming promotions.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. Awesome awesome training, by the way. And I liked your previous one too.
How much Thank you. Thank you. Marina, question.
I’m not a Yes. Yeah. Course creator for this purpose, although I have done other stuff.
So this offer is going to cold traffic.
So you could use this as a starting point for, offering copy services to SaaS potential SaaS clients.
So they know they so they’re starting at problem aware already, and then you have to show them that this is the solution for your and you’re starting, like, right there Mhmm. Jumping in Mhmm. Hard selling. Essentially, you’re hard selling.
Like, this is hard selling.
Exactly. Yes.
You’re just hard selling it.
Hard selling.
This is this is what you need. And then going into the and this is why you need me to do that for you.
Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is hard sales. It’s just that I like to just be mindful of the fact that, you know, we wanna respect people’s reasons for not buying, but at the same time, we wanna make a strong argument for why they should buy.
So which is why you wanna handle those objections. You don’t wanna overlook them. You don’t wanna kind of, you know, brush them aside or anything. You wanna handle them and move on.
But then the objection handling is not like you’re like, it’s integrated, not like you’re saying this. I’m saying this. It’s more subtle.
Yes. Yes.
Oh, I had another question related to that. Oh, have you tried this for productized services?
Oh, good question.
No.
But I do have an opportunity to test it out. We’ve recently overhauled one of our product based services. So, yeah, I could test it out, but, no, I haven’t.
Okay. Right. Thank you.
You’re welcome. Cool. I would love it if you would go ahead and test it out. Like, if you would test out I plan to. A launch of least resistance.
I would love to know how it goes or if you get find yourself coming up against, like, a roadblock.
Find me in Slack and, yeah, just chat with me about it.
I love these launches. They’re just yeah. Them, you know, they’re a challenge, but they’re they’re so exciting to to write for. So yeah.
I’ve done emails sorry, Katie. I’ve done emails, like, email promotions where each email was answering a specific objection, but it was usually for brands that had such a bad reputation or such a bad perception with their audience that it just felt like I can’t really afford to sell anything. Like, I have to afford to sell the product. I first need to repair the trust.
So each email was, okay.
We asked you, and we got some, like, really crazy feedback from you. So let’s settle things straight. So over the next few days, that’s exactly what we’re going to do.
And, yeah, that did work well. Whereas with other audiences, you just don’t need to do all that much.
You don’t need to exactly.
Exactly. Which is why this works really well, like I said, for skeptical audiences. Right?
Like, where like, in your case, the crust has been you know, it needs repairing, but then you also need to do selling.
So works. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
Katie.
So I would love to I’m still building out my, like, post workshop funnel. So I have, you know, my diagnostic workshop online.
I have, you know, I know you haven’t watched the workshop yet, so go watch his sequence that Yes. But I don’t have a lot that goes out after that.
Like, you know, essentially, my post webinar Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. For my, for my standardized offer. So I think that this would work well. Yes.
But I’d love your tips on, like so if the offer is, you know, a productized service around behavior based back end automations Mhmm.
What because to me, I’m like, oh, I don’t see what objections you could have. It’s a great idea. But I know, you know, it’s like okay. So the founder’s time, the team’s time, like, adding something else to their plate, not wanting to annoy or bother their clients, like, not wanting to have feel salesy.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it’s my first time. Like, I haven’t sold it yet, so I need proof, like, proof that it will work and that I can do it.
The idea that they can’t imagine what it looks like or how it would Yes.
Go. Exactly. Which is where a demo would come in. So you wanna kind of show them what it would look like. I would like actually, if you’ve not done this, then I would actually build that build something out so you can kinda walk them through what it looks like so they can see that it’s not as either as confusing because with something like this and because I sell a lot of these, you know, behavior based sequences, I find the biggest objection is they just can’t visualize what it looks like. So Mhmm. Yeah.
And you would just build that out in whimsical or something?
Like, Yeah. Or whimsical, fun analytics, whatever you wanna kind of use. Whimsical works just fine. Just, you know, kind of visually helping them to see, hey.
This is what’s gonna happen. This is what happens when this happens. And if this happens, and then you kinda see light bulbs go up. Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Mhmm. And is there anything else that comes to mind that I didn’t mention that you think it would be a big one?
Yeah.
Tried it in the past, did not work.
Mhmm. Okay.
Yeah. That come up, you know, with a few established creators.
They have sequences in place, but didn’t work, which is where your credibility comes in as I actually heard from an OBM that I’m friends with.
She she was like, oh, yeah. We already have something like that. I was like, I don’t think you I don’t think you have what I’m talking about.
Like Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly. So it’s which is why the looping technique kicks in. You know? So you wanna kinda remind them. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. I’ll let you know how it goes. Thank you.
Cool. You’re welcome. Rayna?
Okay. So two things, commenting to Katie, about the OBM that said we already have something like that.
Herna, I’m just wondering, is it too cheeky just to ask them, so are you getting the results that you wanted from them?
Yeah. No.
That’s not you know, like, if they say that, hey.
We’ve got this.
Like, even thinking about Yeah.
Yeah.
If we’re saying, okay. So here’s an onboarding flow.
Well, we already have one.
Okay. So are you happy with your conversions?
Exactly. You that is preempting.
Like, I mean, you could say it so it’s not snarky, but, is that where that kind of comes down to your tone.
Right? Yes. Exactly. Yeah.
You know, it kinda comes down to your timeline.
Curiosity.
Like Yeah.
Exactly. More like I would do that. Okay. One hundred percent. One hundred percent. Yeah. Address it.
That’s exactly what straight line is. You wanna address those objections. Like I said, you don’t you wanna be mindful, of course. You wanna be, you know, you don’t wanna be disrespectful.
But at the same time, you don’t wanna tiptoe around it and not address not address it. I yeah. I would definitely do that one hundred percent.
And then secondly, because it’s cold, can you run ads can you run ads directly to your straight line funnel?
Yes. Yes. Cold. Cold traffic.
Right?
Like, it’s meant to convert cold traffic, and it’s just a numbers game.
Right?
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One hundred percent. I would want to, however, ensure that the offer is validated.
So you could run it the because the last thing you wanna do is Yes.
Spend money on an invalidated offer.
Exactly. Yeah. It’s not So It is for cold audiences. It’s not for untested, invalidated offers. That’s an important distinction.
Okay. So then here’s my question because I’m kind of in the same boat as Katie right now. Like, I’ve done the work for other people, yes, and gotten results, but I haven’t done this particular set of activities to accomplish this particular outcome in this in my signature way.
Mhmm.
So is the offer proved by the fact that, yes, I have written onboarding flows that have increased conversions, or is the offer proof that I’ve done it my way in this current system and gotten results with that signature?
I mean, yeah, it’s it’s not either or. It’s both. You’ve written onboarding sequences that have bought gotten conversions.
Right. And, you know, you know, I would do both. Like, I would lean on both of those. I would call this a validated offer. I would so to I would not what would an invalid offer be? Where you’ve never done something, for either your own brand or a client, and you’re, like, absolutely near the market.
Okay. So yeah. So if you’ve done it either for your own brand or for even, like, another brand, and it’s not, like, the full scope of things, but it’s been, like, you know, I’ve done one for one client. I’ve done one for another client.
That’s about it all for me. Like, you’ve you’ve tested those out. People need it. They work. Mhmm. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Can I add something here?
Yes.
So if you don’t have, like, case studies right now to demonstrate how effective the solution is, like onboarding sequences, you can use industry data to back that up.
So something that I’m doing is my framework is customer centricity applied to sales emails in a way that allows me to sell a course each month without making it aggressive, salesy, or burning the list. That’s because I’m implementing the customer centric concepts. And, obviously, I’m not, like, an authority right now. I haven’t done any research in this specific area, but there are professors. And there are big, economic studies that demonstrate that companies that use customer centric frameworks are actually gaining better results than product based companies. So for me, when I go to a client and say, well, obviously, yes, you can run a flash sale that’s product based. But can you do that every month in a way that actually lets you convey your unique brand messaging whatever?
Although, actually so if you turn to customer centricity and here are all these sources that back it up, then that’s a lot better than me saying, well, I’ve been doing this for a long a long time.
And I do have the results, but if you don’t believe me Exactly.
Data. So that is why you know? And that’s where both the emotional and logical certainty factors kick in with this one. So you wanna lean on the data.
You may have you may have or may not have testimonials and case studies or the the stories to back it up. But if you have data, that will work too. And then your expertise is what would help create and, you know, the the other side of the certainty equation. So, I think that’s what the yeah.
Katie says she uses this data too. So amazing. Great.
So do this, Marina.
Do the quality of your questions to your clients also validate your authority?
One hundred percent. I’m a big fan of sales calls because of that.
It really helps me close way bigger projects and packages, and which is why I yeah. I have, like, I would say, a list of questions, but I don’t have a quote, unquote, a templated sales call flow, because, yeah. It just helps me to kind of, you know, assess what I need to do. And, sales calls are, like, the perfect example of straight line selling, like, you know, but you wanna do it your way.
So yeah. But one hundred fancy your question? Yes. One hundred percent.
Thank you.
You’re welcome.
Awesome. Anything else?
All good. Perfect. Marina, apparently, for some reason, like yes. Sarah’s saying, Zoom is recording, so, hopefully, yes, we record it.
But I’ve told her that yours is recording too. Mine got kicked out. It’s a weird Zoom world. I may need to reach out to you for the recording.
I’ll wait for Sarah to come back to me on that.
Yeah. I can also send you the or the fathom.
Okay. Awesome. That would be that would be great. Yeah. Yeah. That’s fine. Perfect. Perfect. Thanks so much, everybody.
Lovely seeing y’all.
Bye now. Bye. Bye.
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So, yeah, so you wanna create that you know, you wanna start pulling those emotional triggers by connecting with their pain points, letting them know that, hey. You know what? If you are overwhelmed with how disorganized your home is, because of whatever, you know, like or, you know, let’s say you got the the quiz result that shows that you’re currently feeling extremely overwhelmed because your home’s full of clutter, I have something for you. Right?
This is what I have, and this is something that I’ve created based on twelve years of experience as a home organizer dealing with exceptionally cluttered homes. And if I can help x number of families do that, I can help you too. So you’re connecting with their pain points. You’re introducing the offer early on in the conversation, and you’re creating certainty by establishing yourself.
When I say yourself, if you’re working for a client, establishing your client as the expert by helping by doing all of this really early on in the funnel, whether it’s a webinar, a quiz, whatever it is.
So here’s what what you need to know. And I’m sure all of you know this already, but we kind of need sometimes step away from it is people buy when they’re both excited about the outcome and when they’re convinced that it’s the right investment for them. So it’s both a right brain, left brain kind of a thing. We we want both of these things to happen, and that will happen when you are going ahead and building certainty in the product, in the seller, and then, of course, the brand.
So here’s an insight into my process. When I’m working on a launch of least resistance, I lean very heavily on, of course, the offer. And something that I do as part of my process is and I do that for all kinds of launches, not just this one, is I go through the course or the membership or whatever is from a first person, from a student point of view so I can see exactly what they’ll be seeing.
And then I also lean really, really heavily on brand affinity.
So if you’re not collecting information about why your clients’ clients are loyal to them or, you know, are connected with the brand, not just the client. Right? We’re talking about the brand. How do they run their business?
That’s something you wanna start doing, especially if you wanna use launches of least resistance. I firmly believe you should be doing it in any case, but these three factors really come into play because these would help you, a, remove objections, b, create that logical certainty, and, see have that direct conversation with confidence and without it feeling, pushy or salesy because that’s why straight line selling generally gets a bad respond you know, get gets a bad rap is because it’s considered very pushy, very, you know, like, oh, I’ve got but you wanna come at it from a place of confidence, and you can still use the principles to help your prospects make a decision that they’re excited about.
So, yeah, definitely collect start collecting. If you’re not doing it, start collecting data. And next time you’re working with a client on yes. What makes the product great? What makes the client an expert? But what is it about the brand that brings people back to them or even attracts them initially?
Next up, you wanna start building emotional and logical certainty with offer presentation.
So, again, something to remember, you wanna connect features to pain points. You wanna connect features to benefits.
Really, really important. Start using stories and examples that speak directly to the struggles that your audience is experiencing. I’ll give you a great example of this. So, where I was writing copy for, my client who’s an astrologer.
Right? So one of the things that her audience really struggled with was with two things that kept coming up. One was called armchair astrology. Now armchair astrology is where people are reading we call it armchair astrology.
Why? Because or they would call it armchair astrology because they would be sitting in a chair reading a book and then, you know, you would be expected to kind of know about astrology by reading a book. So it just doesn’t work that way, especially for serious astrologers, and I was amazed at how many serious astrologers there are.
So they really struggled with this on chair astrology approach where, you know, you just read and then you are expected to kind of just go ahead and give readings.
That was something that came up. And the second was that it’s very confusing.
It can be extremely confusing. Why? Because there’s so much of free information, and there are all of these bits and pieces that you’re, like, just kind of supposed to put together, but no one really shows you the full picture.
Or the courses that are out there are extremely long and overwhelming and confusing. Like, you’re just kinda watching, like, hours of videos.
We used the fact that her course had a shorter videos. So instead of saying shorter videos, you know, we connected it with the pinpoint of not them not having to sit through and watch hours of videos.
But, also, we told them that it’s an approach that goes again. That’s not armchair astrology because not only will they be learning, but they’ll also be implementing as they learn. So and then we backed it up with social proof. So we had stories of, you know, people who’d gone through the course.
Every single feature from the workbooks to the videos to the teaching assistants to the community, all of those are features, but every feature was linked to a struggle that our audience is experiencing. Feeling lost while practicing astrology? You don’t have to be. We have trained teaching assistants, and we have a community.
Feeling judged by others? Well, this is gonna be your judgment free space. Feeling overwhelmed, it’s literally, every objection, every pain was tackled and addressed while being honest with, with them. So you wanna use especially, again, in this case, every feature has to be linked to a pinpoint. Every feature, I very rarely say has, but if you’re using this launch model, you definitely wanna do this because it would work otherwise.
And you’d say you wanna use data, you wanna use testimonials, you wanna use case studies, but your features should be connected to a pinpoint or a benefit.
And like I said, you could do this with with any product. You’re selling email software, whether you’re selling a membership, whether you’re selling coaching, whether you’re selling your copywriting services.
Right? If you wanna start having a straight line conversation with your prospect, your features need to speak to the pain or a benefit. So you’re selling copywriting services.
If you’re sending them a questionnaire, why should they care? I mean, like, really, who wants to sit through sixty minutes of trying to fill out a questionnaire?
Is there a way you can repack reposition, repackage that to address either an objection or highlight a benefit?
Now this is specific to courses, but, again, or software and things like that. But you wanna demo the course. Like, one of the things that we do is we get we do an open house or we do an ask me anything or we do a behind the scenes, or we do a day in the life of one of our students, kind of an email that goes out, which includes a demo of the course.
Again, you can do it with your with SAS as well. You can even do it with copy, and I’ll tell you how in just a minute with your services because I’ve done this in the past.
Let me describe it.
So but what you wanna do is you wanna do it too as the final stage because by then, you’ve removed all of their objections, and now you wanna help them visualize themselves in the course using the service, using the product.
So things like, like I said, video tours, BDS, modules, or day in the life of a student, actually take them with you inside. So, again, going back to the astrology clients example, what we did was we gave them, we gave them access to, like, a course preview almost. That was that was amazing as a conversion mechanism. We gave them access to, I think, the first module, few lessons in there so they could, you know, actually go and see how all of the lessons flowed, that we weren’t just kidding when we were saying the lessons aren’t long or assert or aren’t longer than x minutes.
The worksheets, they had, like, the complete student experience.
I did the same thing, last year, with my program launch, for a ESL is I did a board I call it sales kitchen. It was a complete experience. We had, like, the we had a pop up group to give them the community feel. We had the a lesson that was taken directly from ready to sell and, you know, even the process and everything worked really, really well.
We had, like, almost a fifty percent conversion. Like, every fifty percent people who signed up for sales kitchen converted, which was great. And it’s a high ticket investment. Right?
It was it’s a three thousand dollar course. So claim being but keep it for keep the demo towards the final stage of the funnel. Copywriting services. One of the ways I do this is when I’m on a call, I walk my prospect through this exact same process by actually showing them the examples of the deliverables they’ll get.
So it helps them see what they’ll be getting. So I’m not just gonna say, oh, yeah. Yeah. I can do your sales page or I’ll do your email file or map out your ecosystem.
I actually show what an ecosystem would look like. I show what my messaging recommendations guide looks like. It’s like for most clients, it’s like almost forty, fifty pages of data and, you know, implementable suggestions and recommendations for content and things like that. It just blows people’s minds.
It might yeah. I rarely get pushback. Rarely.
I don’t even remember. Last time I got pushed back on price. Right? So, why? Because I walk I showed them that’s like the final stage.
I showed them exactly what they’re getting.
Next up, objection handling. This is gonna be one of the most important parts of this kind of a launch. So you wanna be really, really good at this. You wanna start writing your copy, whether for a sales pitch or for emails, with your list of objections in front of you.
I don’t want this. I don’t want this because. I don’t want this because. This will not work because.
This will not work because. You want that whole list of of objections right in front of you, and then you wanna just start going through them one by one by one and making sure that you’ve addressed all of them. So anticipating those concerns, whether it’s to do with themselves, because you’ll always have those inner you know, oh, I’m not ready, or I don’t have the right experience. I don’t have the right credentials.
Whatever. So you’ll always have this inner objections, but then you’ll also have the external ones. Don’t have the money. Don’t have the time.
And we’re you tried this before and it didn’t work. All those things. So you wanna just dismantle all of those through the funnel, through your sales page.
The goal here is for you to just on really digging into the objection beneath the objection.
Is it time? Is it overwhelm? Is it past experience? And instead of just addressing a few, address them all. Right? So you wanna say and before you your prospects even come back to you or, you know, like, oh, I don’t think this is gonna work for me because I don’t have time. Well, it’s only gonna take you ten minutes to watch a video and just another nine to eleven minutes to implement it.
Can you take out ten minutes of your day to make this happen? You could, like, watch it on your way to work.
You would literally address objections like that, whether it’s an email, whether it’s on a sales page.
You wanna start getting them to think and look at those and go, okay. Yeah. Of course, I can do that. I can watch ten a ten minute video.
Tell them you gotta you’ll you’ll have, like, seven modules.
Yep. That’s not gonna work. You tell them yes. I I know you’re thinking this is gonna be time consuming, but do you have ten minutes or nine minutes? Whatever.
Okay. This is, this is a technique taken from straight line selling, the straight line selling school call looping, where you revisit points of certainty, like the creator’s expertise, the course’s effectiveness, the brand’s track record as you address new objection set rise. So for example, someone comes in and says, yeah. I did a similar course or you, you know, in your funnel, you wanna address the you’ve seen this objection come up in the past that people have done this done similar courses, have not seen results.
You wanna remind them that this is not the way it was because this pre this course creator is different, because this brand is invested in ensuring that we, you know, we get you results because we have a guarantee that would work, that would kick in if you don’t see results.
So keep coming back to those points of certainty, which is why I said here. It’s really important for you to, yes, know how the course or the offer works. You wanna know have complete knowledge of your clients or your own expertise, and then, of course, the brand affinity as well because you would be wanting to use that and keep coming back to that to address objections and to increase and strengthen your prospect’s belief in your offer.
Okay. So things to consider when you’re strategizing this launch. Like, put this on a worksheet for the next launch. You wanna know pinpoints.
So okay. What specific challenges will you be talking about? How can you map those to the features? Right?
Consistent mess messaging. How will you keep the narrative unified and in a straight line across all stages of the funnel? You do not want to be going in five different directions here. One message is more important in this kind of a launch than in any other kind of launch.
So you wanna get really clear on that one message, that one theme, that one story line that you’ll be drawing from start to finish. Certainty building. How will you be building certainty and the main messaging angle across the sequence? How will you be creating certainty in your client, in the brand, all of that?
Objection handling, I’ve already kind of, yeah, beat the drum on this one, but preempting and addressing objections, all of them. You wanna know you wanna know all of them. And you wanna know, okay, which features, which benefits will I be mapping here? Which how will I be using emotional and logical hooks so that I’m balancing the storytelling part but with data and proof?
So you wanna have these five, six elements in place in a document when you’re working on a launch of user assistance.
When you have these in place, it becomes so much easier for you to write the copy that would just go in a straight line in a straight line. Yeah. It’s really, it’s now here’s the thing. It sounds very simple, but it’s not.
It’s I found over the years with the hundreds and hundreds of launches that I’ve written for, it’s way easier to do a traditional launch because you have that you have the runway. You can build that, you know, the know, like, trust factor. But when you’re going in cold and you need to sell and you also need to do it without being pushy or, you know, like a typical salesperson.
You wanna be thoughtful and mindful and demure.
You would wanna keep keep these things in mind because that kind of helps you keep the conversation on track, but it is a little bit harder than a traditional launch because you’ve you’ve gotta keep it really tight across the funnel, your sales pitch and your emails.
That messaging is so, so important.
Okay. Yeah. Your job as a copywriter is to obviously keep the process moving forward by addressing their concerns. That is the one thing I want you to take away from this one is that your objection handling is gonna play a huge role.
The more control you have, the easier your close will be. And, again, this this will work, but, like I gave you example, this will work on a sales call. This will work with a webinar. This would work with a quiz.
A launch of least resistance is great where high ticket offers are involved and where an audience needs that extra persuasion.
Alright.
Cool.
Questions? I can see Katie’s hat is up.
Hi, Berna.
As always, I love your workshops.
They’re so meaty and, give us so much to go on.
So I have a couple of questions about implementing this.
One, you mentioned how this is different from, like, the traditional launch runway where you would do, you know, your your prelaunch runway. I’m curious, like, the objection handling, are you doing most of that? Like, is the difference the fact that here you’ve introduced the offer and then you’re handling objective objections, or are you handling those objections?
But, like, I I guess just what’s the sequence of handling the objections versus introducing the offer and kind of more, like, selling?
Yeah. So, yeah, in this case, you introduce the offer first.
So since you you’re in this pretty much same niche as I am with online course creators and coaches and consultants, with a traditional launch. You know how you do it. Right? You have, like, your prelaunch runway, and then you have, like, your launch mechanism kick in, then you have your cart open. You’ve got, like, a lot of room to kind of play with.
And you wanna address those objections before you like, typically, I’d wanna do that before I introduce the offer. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Here, what’s happening is you’re going in cold. You’re just going in straight for the sale, and you’re addressing your the objections, preempt preempting them and addressing them or, you know, like, your Okay.
In fact, for one of the launches, what I did was the sale the pitch email, like, generally, my pitch email is more of I call it the path for value pitch email. That’s why I call it, but because it has a lot of value in it, and then we are introducing the offer. But in launches of least resistance, what I do is it’s the offer and then the big objection that I know they would have, whether it’s cost or time or money. I’m just it’s like a whole series of objection demolition emails, and the sales page is structured the same way as well.
So there’s like yeah. Will work for me. You know? Don’t have the money. Don’t have the time.
Or, you know, like, tried this before or not ready.
Just yeah. So that’s how it’s structured.
And then so do you if you because I’m assuming that all of these principles that you were sharing, you’re using those both on the sales page and in the emails. Yes.
Does the sales page in this type of funnel also spend much time on, like, desires, dream state, or is it more like, here’s what we do and then boom boom boom?
So what does how the sales page differs from, say, a regular, maybe even a PS or a pays off or the, you know, the different frameworks that I I, kind of have developed over the years is there’s we talk about the pain.
That’s why the emotional certainty kind of comes in. So we, we tap into their pain and their struggle. Do we show them their desires? Yes.
But we tie it to a, a feature of the course. We tied we that’s where the logical certainty starts to build. It’s like, okay. You know, if you want more time freedom, this is how you’re gonna get it using a b c from the course.
So we are tapping into it, but it’s not the structure of the sales page is different. The structure of the sales page starts with the pain that they’re experiencing and how this particular offer is gonna solve that pain for them, with whatever framework, method, etcetera.
And then we go into their you know, maybe what they want, but also, again, that’s why it’s benefit first. So every feature is linked to a benefit, which is, in other words, a desire or an outcome, and then, of course, objection handling, all through the page.
Okay. Thank you. And if I may, could you just elaborate a bit on the looping technique? I didn’t quite understand.
I, you know, I know you said revisit points of certainty as you introduce new objections.
So could you just give an example of what that might look like?
Sure. So I’ll give you an example from okay. I’ll give you an example from sales calls. Right? So I whenever I’m on a sales call with clients, they’ve already you know?
The thing is, most of them are not cold because they’ve either found us through the our website or they’ve, at the very least, have sent us a contact form from the website. So it’s not that, like, they’re entirely cold, but I like using straight line sign for that because it’s a high ticket service. Like, they’re all five figure services. Right?
So how I use Looping is I they already know, my expertise. They know my experience. But what I always always do is I would have I would bring up case studies of clients who are from similar niches, or I would let them know if, if recently recorded a podcast somewhere or if I’ve spoken on stage somewhere. So I’m just building certainty because the big objection most people would have in hiring a strategist or a copywriter is either they’ve been booked before and which is, you know, usually when they come to us or maybe their launch hasn’t worked before or it’s their first time hiring, which is rare, but maybe. You know? So you wanna kind of loop back to, the fact that you’re the best person for this, and here’s why.
Okay. Does that help, Katie?
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. So just kind of, like, as you know or as we’ve seen or, you know, as I mentioned on this like, just reinforcing those points of certainty so that that’s an ongoing theme.
Yeah. Because you need again, like I said, you need to know what objections, like and after you’d you know, when you do a ton of sales calls, you know exactly what objections your prospect has. And similarly, with a program or a product or service, you know, what objections, you know, your clients would have. So you want to loop back to this.
So it’s not just, oh, let me just put my bio here on the sales page and think we’ve established trust and credibility, but you wanna loop back to it maybe, you know, in the social proof section. Maybe you wanna loop back to it in the FAQ section. Maybe you wanna loop back to it in the in the closing section of the sales page. So you wanna kind of keep coming back to so it’s not just a, let’s just put the bio here and call it a day, but how can we come back and establish certainty?
I’m just giving an example from, say, the credibility of the creator, but you could do that with pretty much any of the other elements as well.
Cool.
Any other questions?
Not even if not related to the training or if anyone’s got, like, copy or a review or things like that, we could dig into it.
I guess I have not necessarily, like, a question. So you mentioned that the course preview or some kind of showing them behind the scenes, that should go out in one of the last emails or at the end of the funnel.
And I usually do that in, like, email four or five.
And How how many emails? Like, how long does the emailed. So it’s in the in the middle. Okay.
Yeah. And then I have an FAQ email that’s emailed six out of eight.
Mhmm. Mhmm.
So I’m wondering if you’ve tested different placements in the promo structure to see which one works best.
Yeah. The reason I so, yeah, I actually have, and I have found I have, in fact, even tested not including FAQ emails. Yeah. Okay, Michelle. Bye.
Even not including FAQ emails in in a sequence because if you, a, addressed and answered most of the questions, you don’t really need an FAQ email. You could easily use that email for for something else.
Mhmm. And the reason why I feel and this is again, I’ve, Blanca, I’ve tested it only with audiences, like, in the online course world. And, That’s my niche as well. So Oh, amazing.
Okay. Great. So yeah. So then we’re in Concord. Okay.
So yeah.
The reason I find that it works really well by placing it towards the end is because by then, you’ve handled most of their objections. You’ve established trust. And now what you’re doing as the final step is helping them visualize themselves as a student in the course. It works beautifully. So for me, I’ve I’ve found you know, placing it towards the end of the funnel is that final little push that they need to kind of go, oh, wow. That’s good. That’s what my experience is gonna be like.
And do you just send them to the sales page where you have a section with that kind of behind the scenes video?
So we’ve done this different ways. We’ve done this with, by recording a like, just like an over the shoulder Loom walk through Mhmm. Of what the post dashboard looks like. We’ve also done this, like I shared, with with my course launch, you know, example where it was a complete experience where we invited them to a pop up group.
We had a full lesson that they needed to log in to Teachableforce. They had to be at a login and everything. So it was a complete student experience where, and we also did this with our astrologer client is that, you know, it was a complete student experience. You created an account.
Why? Because these are micro conversions. Right? Yeah. So it helps them get into that whole student mindset.
And then because, so with the astrologer client, in fact, what we did was really cool was because we had the whole course laid out, and they had unlocked access to this. So they could actually see what happens next. Right? And they all they had to do was upgrade.
So they just had to click the upgrade button. So that really helped as well. So we took this, like, in a few different ways. We’ve done this as an open house where literally, like, as a school or a college would do an open house, we would have, like, some students.
It it is a room Zoom room like this. There would be some students joining in, and then, you know, the the course creator would share screen, walk them through the course portal, show them the community, everything, and then they would have a q and a. They would have the chance to ask questions of the students as well. So it kind of depends on the audience you offer and, you know, of course, what your client’s willing to do, that kind of thing.
That’s cool. Thanks. I I now have a bunch of ideas to test for upcoming promotions.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. Awesome awesome training, by the way. And I liked your previous one too.
How much Thank you. Thank you. Marina, question.
I’m not a Yes. Yeah. Course creator for this purpose, although I have done other stuff.
So this offer is going to cold traffic.
So you could use this as a starting point for, offering copy services to SaaS potential SaaS clients.
So they know they so they’re starting at problem aware already, and then you have to show them that this is the solution for your and you’re starting, like, right there Mhmm. Jumping in Mhmm. Hard selling. Essentially, you’re hard selling.
Like, this is hard selling.
Exactly. Yes.
You’re just hard selling it.
Hard selling.
This is this is what you need. And then going into the and this is why you need me to do that for you.
Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is hard sales. It’s just that I like to just be mindful of the fact that, you know, we wanna respect people’s reasons for not buying, but at the same time, we wanna make a strong argument for why they should buy.
So which is why you wanna handle those objections. You don’t wanna overlook them. You don’t wanna kind of, you know, brush them aside or anything. You wanna handle them and move on.
But then the objection handling is not like you’re like, it’s integrated, not like you’re saying this. I’m saying this. It’s more subtle.
Yes. Yes.
Oh, I had another question related to that. Oh, have you tried this for productized services?
Oh, good question.
No.
But I do have an opportunity to test it out. We’ve recently overhauled one of our product based services. So, yeah, I could test it out, but, no, I haven’t.
Okay. Right. Thank you.
You’re welcome. Cool. I would love it if you would go ahead and test it out. Like, if you would test out I plan to. A launch of least resistance.
I would love to know how it goes or if you get find yourself coming up against, like, a roadblock.
Find me in Slack and, yeah, just chat with me about it.
I love these launches. They’re just yeah. Them, you know, they’re a challenge, but they’re they’re so exciting to to write for. So yeah.
I’ve done emails sorry, Katie. I’ve done emails, like, email promotions where each email was answering a specific objection, but it was usually for brands that had such a bad reputation or such a bad perception with their audience that it just felt like I can’t really afford to sell anything. Like, I have to afford to sell the product. I first need to repair the trust.
So each email was, okay.
We asked you, and we got some, like, really crazy feedback from you. So let’s settle things straight. So over the next few days, that’s exactly what we’re going to do.
And, yeah, that did work well. Whereas with other audiences, you just don’t need to do all that much.
You don’t need to exactly.
Exactly. Which is why this works really well, like I said, for skeptical audiences. Right?
Like, where like, in your case, the crust has been you know, it needs repairing, but then you also need to do selling.
So works. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
Katie.
So I would love to I’m still building out my, like, post workshop funnel. So I have, you know, my diagnostic workshop online.
I have, you know, I know you haven’t watched the workshop yet, so go watch his sequence that Yes. But I don’t have a lot that goes out after that.
Like, you know, essentially, my post webinar Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. For my, for my standardized offer. So I think that this would work well. Yes.
But I’d love your tips on, like so if the offer is, you know, a productized service around behavior based back end automations Mhmm.
What because to me, I’m like, oh, I don’t see what objections you could have. It’s a great idea. But I know, you know, it’s like okay. So the founder’s time, the team’s time, like, adding something else to their plate, not wanting to annoy or bother their clients, like, not wanting to have feel salesy.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it’s my first time. Like, I haven’t sold it yet, so I need proof, like, proof that it will work and that I can do it.
The idea that they can’t imagine what it looks like or how it would Yes.
Go. Exactly. Which is where a demo would come in. So you wanna kind of show them what it would look like. I would like actually, if you’ve not done this, then I would actually build that build something out so you can kinda walk them through what it looks like so they can see that it’s not as either as confusing because with something like this and because I sell a lot of these, you know, behavior based sequences, I find the biggest objection is they just can’t visualize what it looks like. So Mhmm. Yeah.
And you would just build that out in whimsical or something?
Like, Yeah. Or whimsical, fun analytics, whatever you wanna kind of use. Whimsical works just fine. Just, you know, kind of visually helping them to see, hey.
This is what’s gonna happen. This is what happens when this happens. And if this happens, and then you kinda see light bulbs go up. Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Mhmm. And is there anything else that comes to mind that I didn’t mention that you think it would be a big one?
Yeah.
Tried it in the past, did not work.
Mhmm. Okay.
Yeah. That come up, you know, with a few established creators.
They have sequences in place, but didn’t work, which is where your credibility comes in as I actually heard from an OBM that I’m friends with.
She she was like, oh, yeah. We already have something like that. I was like, I don’t think you I don’t think you have what I’m talking about.
Like Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly. So it’s which is why the looping technique kicks in. You know? So you wanna kinda remind them. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. I’ll let you know how it goes. Thank you.
Cool. You’re welcome. Rayna?
Okay. So two things, commenting to Katie, about the OBM that said we already have something like that.
Herna, I’m just wondering, is it too cheeky just to ask them, so are you getting the results that you wanted from them?
Yeah. No.
That’s not you know, like, if they say that, hey.
We’ve got this.
Like, even thinking about Yeah.
Yeah.
If we’re saying, okay. So here’s an onboarding flow.
Well, we already have one.
Okay. So are you happy with your conversions?
Exactly. You that is preempting.
Like, I mean, you could say it so it’s not snarky, but, is that where that kind of comes down to your tone.
Right? Yes. Exactly. Yeah.
You know, it kinda comes down to your timeline.
Curiosity.
Like Yeah.
Exactly. More like I would do that. Okay. One hundred percent. One hundred percent. Yeah. Address it.
That’s exactly what straight line is. You wanna address those objections. Like I said, you don’t you wanna be mindful, of course. You wanna be, you know, you don’t wanna be disrespectful.
But at the same time, you don’t wanna tiptoe around it and not address not address it. I yeah. I would definitely do that one hundred percent.
And then secondly, because it’s cold, can you run ads can you run ads directly to your straight line funnel?
Yes. Yes. Cold. Cold traffic.
Right?
Like, it’s meant to convert cold traffic, and it’s just a numbers game.
Right?
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One hundred percent. I would want to, however, ensure that the offer is validated.
So you could run it the because the last thing you wanna do is Yes.
Spend money on an invalidated offer.
Exactly. Yeah. It’s not So It is for cold audiences. It’s not for untested, invalidated offers. That’s an important distinction.
Okay. So then here’s my question because I’m kind of in the same boat as Katie right now. Like, I’ve done the work for other people, yes, and gotten results, but I haven’t done this particular set of activities to accomplish this particular outcome in this in my signature way.
Mhmm.
So is the offer proved by the fact that, yes, I have written onboarding flows that have increased conversions, or is the offer proof that I’ve done it my way in this current system and gotten results with that signature?
I mean, yeah, it’s it’s not either or. It’s both. You’ve written onboarding sequences that have bought gotten conversions.
Right. And, you know, you know, I would do both. Like, I would lean on both of those. I would call this a validated offer. I would so to I would not what would an invalid offer be? Where you’ve never done something, for either your own brand or a client, and you’re, like, absolutely near the market.
Okay. So yeah. So if you’ve done it either for your own brand or for even, like, another brand, and it’s not, like, the full scope of things, but it’s been, like, you know, I’ve done one for one client. I’ve done one for another client.
That’s about it all for me. Like, you’ve you’ve tested those out. People need it. They work. Mhmm. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Can I add something here?
Yes.
So if you don’t have, like, case studies right now to demonstrate how effective the solution is, like onboarding sequences, you can use industry data to back that up.
So something that I’m doing is my framework is customer centricity applied to sales emails in a way that allows me to sell a course each month without making it aggressive, salesy, or burning the list. That’s because I’m implementing the customer centric concepts. And, obviously, I’m not, like, an authority right now. I haven’t done any research in this specific area, but there are professors. And there are big, economic studies that demonstrate that companies that use customer centric frameworks are actually gaining better results than product based companies. So for me, when I go to a client and say, well, obviously, yes, you can run a flash sale that’s product based. But can you do that every month in a way that actually lets you convey your unique brand messaging whatever?
Although, actually so if you turn to customer centricity and here are all these sources that back it up, then that’s a lot better than me saying, well, I’ve been doing this for a long a long time.
And I do have the results, but if you don’t believe me Exactly.
Data. So that is why you know? And that’s where both the emotional and logical certainty factors kick in with this one. So you wanna lean on the data.
You may have you may have or may not have testimonials and case studies or the the stories to back it up. But if you have data, that will work too. And then your expertise is what would help create and, you know, the the other side of the certainty equation. So, I think that’s what the yeah.
Katie says she uses this data too. So amazing. Great.
So do this, Marina.
Do the quality of your questions to your clients also validate your authority?
One hundred percent. I’m a big fan of sales calls because of that.
It really helps me close way bigger projects and packages, and which is why I yeah. I have, like, I would say, a list of questions, but I don’t have a quote, unquote, a templated sales call flow, because, yeah. It just helps me to kind of, you know, assess what I need to do. And, sales calls are, like, the perfect example of straight line selling, like, you know, but you wanna do it your way.
So yeah. But one hundred fancy your question? Yes. One hundred percent.
Thank you.
You’re welcome.
Awesome. Anything else?
All good. Perfect. Marina, apparently, for some reason, like yes. Sarah’s saying, Zoom is recording, so, hopefully, yes, we record it.
But I’ve told her that yours is recording too. Mine got kicked out. It’s a weird Zoom world. I may need to reach out to you for the recording.
I’ll wait for Sarah to come back to me on that.
Yeah. I can also send you the or the fathom.
Okay. Awesome. That would be that would be great. Yeah. Yeah. That’s fine. Perfect. Perfect. Thanks so much, everybody.
Lovely seeing y’all.
Bye now. Bye. Bye.
How to Write Useful Books with AI
How to Write Useful Books with AI
Transcript
There we go. K. Everyone, everyone can see? You’re good? Okay. So, today, we’re gonna go over, how to write useful books.
And the premise is based around I don’t know if anyone, has read it yet, but there’s there’s a great book called Write Useful Books by Rob Fitzpatrick. And, it’s a very systematic approach to to writing the book, and a good analogy is Joe’s research and discovery phase. It’s really getting into the mind of cost of the customer, understanding the problem, that they wanna solve, and then crafting a promise or solution to solve that problem. So what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna take that concept, that he talks about in the book and the step by step process, and we’re we’re gonna use AI, to streamline a a lot of it today.
Now the book is essentially broken up into here’s a a diagram of each phase of the book, and, essentially, it’s broken down or the process is broken down into scoping.
And scoping includes really, you know, who you’re writing for, what they care about, what problem are they trying to solve. And then based off that, you craft a clear, clear promise.
Then more importantly, you you decide who the book isn’t for and what the book isn’t gonna cover. And then once you have that information, you can start drafting your table of contents, and then you create something that’s called a recommendation loop. And I’ll give some examples, in a minute on what that is. And And then you’re using this information to essentially, you can survey people, you can interview people.
I gives I’ll show you how to do that. If you really wanna do that, I’d I’m gonna write a couple of books, and I’ll show you where I’m at with these. I’m not gonna do that. I think that with AI, you can get enough information, session today, you’ll have what’s called a scoping document. And the scoping document will be similar to this.
And the scoping document will be similar to this, which is gonna be your table of contents, your top ten problems, the the interview questions, really getting into the mind of the customer that then you can use to start creating your book. And then, of course, I’ll get into that sort of the the process where I’m at it with it and whatnot.
The let’s start at the first step on that. And the first step he talks about is really it’s define your ideal reader and the specific problem they wanna solve. So this is this is copywriting in a sense. You know, you wanna you wanna know who you’re writing for.
Oh, you’re you can hear me okay? There’s oh, I thought I heard a noise in the background.
Now he defines the problem as loosely or the problem is loosely defined as a skill the reader wants to develop, a fear or frustration they have, or a question they need an answer to, or a goal they wanna achieve. So when you when he says problem, he’s defining it very loosely.
The whole concept of the book is really to you wanna get into the mind of the customer, we call it, and copywriting direct response. In this case, we’re getting into the mind of the reader. We’re trying to really understand, the core problems so we can truly write a book that is useful.
The first step, of course, is to write your clear promise. Now he talks about the way he frames the promises, the key in framing of promises around solving a core problem or frustration or achieving a tangible outcome. So, again, it’s a skill I wanna develop. It’s a fear I wanna alleviate. It’s a question I want an answer to, or it’s a certain goal that I wanna achieve.
There’s a great quote by April Dunford, and she said most books are idea books. You know, that they don’t give you one little word about how to get it done. My book is going to be a book about how to actually do it. And that’s really one of the concepts of this is it’s, it really is writing a useful book, and it’s gonna teach you the actual step by step process. So it’s not theory, and that’s the overarching concept.
The key to identify a very specific problem, and there’s there’s certain processes that you you go through, and I’ll show you how to do them with with AI. But, you state the the problem, then you make an explicit promise.
How he defines the promises, it’s, you’re providing a clear path to that solution or desired outcome that they want. The promise should focus on teaching actionable methods, not sharing ideas. So he gives a great example of a promise of, a book. And this this is a a book that’s very popular, How to Stay Alive in the Woods. You look at that, you and Celine know what it is, and that’s a great example of solves a problem, and it’s a clear promise.
Here’s some examples of problem and promises.
And he the way he structures it in the book, it’s almost it is essentially a formula that you can use, which is great for AI because AI loves patterns. But, he gives some clear examples. So here’s an example of a problem. I’m struggling to gather reliable, customer feedback and insights as an entrepreneur.
The promise is this book will teach you proven techniques to conducting insightful customer interviews to deeply understand your customers’ needs and build products they truly want. So that’s a that’s a great example. Another problem, feeling stressed and unprepared when facilitating workshops or presentations. What’s the promise? Follow the step by step framework in this book to design and deliver engaging impactful workshop workshops that wow your audience.
Here’s another great one. Wanting to develop a consistent writing habit, but lacking motivation or desire.
This book provides a structured plan with actionable daily exercises to help you build a sustainable writing practice and make progress on your goals.
And then the last one he gives is, desiring to be more productive and make better use of your limited time, learn productivity strategies based on the latest research to eliminate wasted time, energy, and focus so you can improve the most your most important goals.
So in this case, as you can see, you’re you’re clearly aligning the the promise to the problem.
Once you understand the problem, you align a promise, and you state your promise, then you go into what he call what he calls as drafting your your table of contents. Now, again, there’s specific requirements on this.
You’re gonna add detailed subsections under each main section to further break down the specific lessons and takeaways.
You’re gonna test your table of contents, by having teachable conversations, he called them, where you attempt to actually deliver the promise value to your potential reader step by step. He suggests interviews and and, surveys. We can use AI for that. But, again, I’ll give you both message. You you can choose which one you want. Here’s a great example of the before and after for a table of contents. This was an actual book where the table of contents was just pine, willow, popular oak.
This table of contents, it just lists the names of different trees, but it doesn’t convey what the reader actually learned out each one. And here’s a here’s a great example of a good table of content. So instead of pine, it’s pine for fire starting wood and bandaging injuries. Willow for carving, weaving, finding water as a and as a pain killer, poplar for carving, kindling, containers, and treating infections, oak for construction, crafting, cold fires, and medicine.
So it it it it’s very specific, and it describes a specific outcome from each in the table of contents. So it’s very important.
The next one is writing your cover, and, again, it’s a formula.
And it’s for your cover, he says, you know, you write your clickable cover that makes an unmistakable promise about the value benefits that you will receive.
So the cover should make a clear promise, of course.
The title or the subtitle should explicitly describe who the book is for, the benefit outcome, and the text and imagery conveys a a core promise at its glance. And you’ll notice a lot of this stuff is is pulled from copywriting as well. A lot of this stuff is sales letters.
It just framed differently. Even the the the problem solution, formula that he says to use to write your promise is is literally problem solution or problem acetate solution for copywriting as well. And, again, if you’re gonna use the cover, he gives this multiple times. It’s how to stay alive in the woods.
So what we’re gonna do now is we’re gonna go through this this process that he talks about, which is scoping, and we’re gonna apply the steps using AI. So what I’ve done is I’ve created and I’ll give everyone access to this at the end. So, we’re covering this part, and this is gonna be like I said, this is gonna be enough for you to have your table of contents, have your book, ideas for your book title, and then you can start showing it to people and then start drafting your book as well. The writing and the drafting phase at the end, I’m gonna show you how to use chat or get chat t GPT to emulate your writing style or a specific writing style that you wanna emulate.
In my case, I’ll explain. When we get there, I’m writing a book on effective delegation. There’s a specific book that I really like, and I like that writing style. So I’ve I have AI analyze it and do a style guide and produce a style guide that I can input and use as a database.
And then moving forward, it’s gonna emulate that for me. So I’ll teach you how to do that at the end as well.
So here’s the first prompt for the scoping, and I’ll I’ll do a couple of them as well depending on how much time we have. Now the first step is you really you wanna define your, the top ten problems that your ideal reader wants to solve.
In this prompt right here, we are we’re instructing chat TPT or whichever you use, to look for the most pressing problems of your ideal reader, based on the specific criteria. The criteria we’re using is directly from the book.
These are exactly the criteria he’s saying. Now we got this from and I’ll I’ll show you a trick on how to get this information from is you can take these books that you wanna analyze and you can you can create your own dataset from them.
You can you you can create your own knowledge base, and then you can use AI to craft prompts that follow the specific instructions of the book. And I’ll show you how to do that, in a minute as well. So the first step is we wanna take this. I’ll do two example audiences to show you.
Let’s start with, in my case, I wanna start with pop it in. I’m gonna go with, let’s go first time managers. So ideal reader, just replace this.
And then what it’s gonna do is it’s gonna you can use chat GPT for this, which which will give you pretty good results.
Or another one is you can use is scholarly GPT. So what’s great about that one is it’ll pull, its knowledge from a massive dataset of, papers.
So we’ll we’ll do that one next and you can see the difference. Now these a lot of these are spot on if you read them, and it’s quite detailed as well. So once it lists the ten, then it’s just a matter of your you take that ten.
You can put it in your scoping document because you’ll save it for later.
But, we’ll go through.
One that I another one I’d wanna do as an example and just to show you how, you can get some pretty detailed information, especially on the research and discovery phase, is, let’s do it with scholarly and let’s do it for new dads.
Right?
And just to show you how broad, you can you can make this. So this will be new dad. You can also do it new new, new moms entering the workplace, new dads entering the workplace. There’s a lot of you can choose any topic, and it’s really gonna help you dig deep. Now what’s cool about the Scholarly GPT is that it’s basing it off of actual studies and whatnot so that you’ll find the accurate the information is pretty accurate.
And the same sort of concept, you just you take this in, add it to your scoping document, and then you can move on to the next step. Now, I don’t wanna it’ll it’s a run out because of the time. But the next step on that would be now the step is optional here is to in the book, he recommends, to take once you know the the top ten problems, so a new dad’s case, you know, in this case, it’s gonna be balancing work and parenting, sleep deprivation, financial pressure, lack of personal time. As a new dad, I can tell you this is all a hundred percent accurate, as well. Dealing with mental or no physical health neglect, adapting to change self identity. So a lot of these, what do you suggest now doing in the book is to take this information and to write a survey.
So, again, you can use chat GPT for that. I included a prompt if you do wanna do do that. There’s a a GPT called survey, creator GPT. I’ll open that for you.
And what you can do is you can paste the there we go. You can just paste this prompt, if you do wanna do that inside of that. And what it’s gonna do is it’s gonna, create a survey that has two parts. It’s either a survey question or a survey interview that you can send to different people.
I put the output in here for you. You can see what it looks like.
And this is the output. It’ll put it on a scale of one to ten. And because you’re we I recommend that that GPT that you use because it follows best practices for surveys and whatnot.
And then, of course, you would send this or interview, your one reader. In this case, it’s new dad. And you’re essentially trying to figure out, okay, which which resonates with them, the most. And then based off that, we would move to the next step.
So the next step after that is, you know, let’s say that we we are we speak to dads. We’re like, okay. This problem really resonates or it’s first time managers. In this case, what we would do, I know I went through this right here. Let’s go to this is a new dad.
Okay. Here’s the delegation. So I’ll go through I know it’s delegation, time management and delegation.
So what you do is you take this prompt and copy it. Now what this is gonna do, it’s gonna really dig deep into that specific problem, and it’s gonna use the criteria from the book, that we talked about. Because now we know the problem. We wanna understand the goal.
We wanna understand, what we talked about earlier, any questions they have. We also wanna understand any frustrations or problems that they have, related to that specific problem. So we’ll put that in here, paste it, and go up target audience. Here we go.
So first time managers.
And now what’s gonna do, it’s gonna based off the criteria of the book, it’s gonna really dig deep and so you can get in into the mind of the, the reader.
And this is building now we understand the top ten challenges. We we’ve narrowed that down to getting into the understanding the the mind of the customer, the the reader, and crafting our table of contents and also our book title as well. Now what I did in this case is you just copy and paste it, put it in your scoping document, and you can study it later. And it’s pretty detailed stuff. Like, it it it talks about personal and professional growth, why they’re motivated profile. It goes into detail quite a bit.
And if you do read the book, you’ll see that these are aligned with with everything that he mentions to, to do. You may not agree with all of it, but we’re using his criteria to, define the to define the stuff. So next is to, get an even deeper understanding.
Now now we know it’s first time managers. We know the problem. The core problem is effective delegation.
Now we wanna get in to deeper understanding. And we for effective delegation, we wanna know which skills they wanted to develop. So we’re gonna ask AI, specific questions, including why questions.
We’re gonna we’re gonna wanna know the the, the skills it wants to develop, the frustrations and the fear, any specific questions, and then any goals. And then we’re gonna ask we have specific criteria that he discusses in the book to get an even deeper understanding. So So what we’ll do is we’ll paste this.
And remember, all of this information we’re gonna be using for our table of contents and our book cover as well, which is I was pretty surprised the book. The GPT nailed it quite well. So we’ll paste this in.
Here it is. So d and this is deeper, deep in our understanding of the most pressing problem identified earlier, which, of course, was the delegation for our reader. We click on this. And now it’s gonna give me specific skills that the the reader wants to develop, specific questions it wants, answers to.
Because remember, we’re we’re promising something in this book. Right? So it has to be actionable because it has to be a useful book. So what we’re doing is we’re layering in and layering it, and we’re we’re getting to the meat and potatoes.
But because we’re going it from different angles here, we’re coming from a skill development angle. We’re coming from a fear and frustration angle. We’re coming from an answer and question angle. We’re also coming from a goal angle.
We can tackle different promises, and we can test which ones resonate better. So that’s that’s the ultimate, goal that we’re doing here. So, again, copy and paste this, put it in your, your scoping document.
Now the next step when that’s done is now we get a handle on our most pressing. And I’m I’m sort of going through this because we’re limited on time, but, ideally, you’d wanna analyze this and and read through it. I did this do with copywriters as well. So I’m gonna there’s a book called, Creative Under Pressure that I’m gonna write because it identified with copywriters.
One of the biggest challenges is wanting to, maintain creative or be creative when they’re still facing all these tight deadlines and they feel rushed.
So that’s a pre engaging topic. So I’m gonna write a book on that as well.
Let’s do the next step. Craft a tangible promise. So this is the fun part. Now we know the problem, the core problem, delegation, you know our audience. Now we’re gonna ask ChatGPT to craft a clear promise that we can start testing. And, again, this is the structure of the book, to the letter, including the skills, the promise that they need, the fear frustration, the promise that addresses that. We paste this in.
So here we go. So the first one is the need to craft a promise, is skill development. So many new managers struggle with establishing authority while maintaining a positive relationship with former peers. Here’s the promise. If your new manager finding it challenging to balance authority with, camaraderie among your team, then this book will teach you practical leadership skills. The next one is understanding the fear and frustration.
The another one is the identify the problem, new managers. Asserting authority is a good one. You know, if you’re a new manager pondering how to assert your authority effectively without alienating your team, this book will offer you clear guidance. So what we’re doing now is we’re aligning the the promise based off the, problem, but this we’re we’re categorizing the problems, again, based off skill, fear, question, or goal. Now once we’ve done this, we have our promise, we have our need.
You can go on to the next step, and you can test this if you want. You can take this prompt, put it into the survey GPT. And what what that will do is it’ll craft a series of, survey questions that you can either email, or if you want to, you can interview them. And the goal of that is to determine which promise out of everything we just mentioned sort of resonates with the reader, and then you can you can use that to move on to the next step, or you can just use chat tp t. I’m not gonna do this because I’m I’m pretty confident in the results that that chat chat t p t is writing. I’m gonna move on to the next step.
He talks about in the book, you know, who the book is for and not for.
So what I’m gonna do is now I know that the the reader, I know the core problem. Now I wanna draft who the book isn’t for is not for. And I wanna not only decide who the book oops. Sorry about that. Okay. So the next step is we’re gonna we wanna write, or decide who the book is for, who the book is not for, and what the book will not cover. So now Chat EPT understands our audience, the core problem.
It also has a handle it can also tell us, okay, who is the book not gonna cover, and it’s gonna write that for us here. Again, these are all the requirements that it talks about in the book, with clear examples of each one. So then it’s just a matter of pasting it in. Now this is important as well because this is gonna be one of the first sections on your book that, and he talks about, you know, you wanna highlight exactly who the book is for, who it’s not for.
So when I look at it right away, I’m gonna say, you know what? This book is for me. It’s not for me, and I’m gonna make that decision. And not to go really broad, because if you go broad, you get a lot of four star reviews.
It’s like, oh, this was a good book, but it wasn’t really for me. You wanna avoid that. And by highlighting who this for isn’t for and being ultra specific, new managers who wanna learn how to delegate, It’s not for, leaders with a lot of experience.
It’s not for non manager skills. Like, it it’ll break it down for you. I’m gonna include this in the the table of contents. So I would copy and paste this, put this in the scoping document.
The next step here is to write a recommend recommendation loop. Now this is cool because a recommendation loop is he talks about it, and we’ve all done this where, okay. I have a problem, and let’s do presentation. So I have a presentation coming up. You know, I’ve never done a presentation. I need to learn how to do this.
I’m talking to a friend at work. A friend says, yeah. Yeah. I I was doing presentations.
I read this great book. You should check this out. Oh, what is it called? I go read the book.
I implement it. I hold a successful presentation, and then I recommend it to someone else. That’s called a feedback loop. And in the book, he recommends that you write that, and it’s a dialogue between two people based off your specific problem, which is which is pretty cool.
So I’d paste that in as well.
And remember, I’m I’m layering this off of, each step. So now it’s gonna analyze it based off the problem, and it’s gonna write a a, a recommendation loop for me.
And, of course, what I would do before is you you take that. Here’s the recommendation that it, it did before, and it breaks it down for you. It’s triggering the need, mentioning the stress, and it’ll create a dialogue from start to finish. In this case, it’s, you know, she’s, Saris is is struggling with her colleagues. She’s struggling with her new roles in the manager and delegation, and Tom gives her advice, recommends this book. She applies the book, and then they call it closing the loop where she she’s like, hey. I had a great experience, and then she recommends it to a colleague.
So that’s what that’s what it’s, he refers to. And, so this is gonna write a complete recommendation loop for you as well. And, again, copy and paste that, put that in your scoping document, and move on to the next step.
Now we get into the fun stuff, which will be the table of contents. Now table of contents is, it’s, we talked about that before. It’s there’s a specific criteria he says to focus on. It’s solving the problem. It’s actionable.
So we’ve taken all the criteria from his book. We’ve taken the exact output that he suggests, and he gives some great examples. So we’re just gonna copy this in.
And now ChatGPT knows, who the book is for, who the book is not for. ChatGPT knows the core problem we wanna solve. It’s recommended potential promises, to solve that problem, identifying a goal, a challenge, or frustration depending on which angle we wanna go with. Now based off that information, gonna go ahead and it’s gonna draft a table of contents for me.
Now the, and now what you wanna do at this stage is you’ll take this table of contents and you can start testing it with people. You can put it in front of new managers.
You can ask people for certain feedback. You can tweak it. If you’re not happy with the first run, then, of course, you can, you can just have it rewrite it as well.
So I took this well, it’s running through because of time right now. Put it I put it into the table of contents here, and, it was spot on. It, I like this one better because it it it laid the foundation. One trick I had, if if you do so he does mention too, if you’re gonna write a useful book to make sure that it’s it’s timeless.
Right? It’s it’s not to not to align it with certain technologies that won’t be around in, say, a year or two years. Right? So one thing that I did is they’re the business book here on, like, the top one hundred tools you need to succeed.
And in that is the delegation process or as other business, frameworks that are using the financial world, like balanced scorecard.
So you can take these proven timeless frameworks and you can ask AI to, draft a table of contents around this framework that then aligns with your reader and the problem they wanna solve. So that’s gonna solve sort of the timeless take that we were talking about.
Next step we do after that is the book cover. Now this this is a fun one as well.
The book cover is there’s certain criteria that, we talked about in there. Now this one, you want to update a few things, on this as well. So you wanna paste this in just because it’s a bit more accurate. And it’s gonna give you ten potential book titles. So I put first time managers and most pressing, which is delegation, which we figured it out.
So now it’s gonna suggest some book titles.
Some of them you like, some of them you won’t. Some of them for there’s other titles I gave, and I’ll show you in a second that I love.
The copy running one, I absolutely love.
And, the the original title that it said, I made some tweaks to it. Now this is the criteria he recommends as well. You could use, copywriting formulas here if you want. There’s other formula that you can find. Test that. But this is based off the criteria he suggests that’s embedded into the into the, the prompt.
So now you have your titles. And, of course, you can you just you paste it in here. And now you have your table contents. You have your, your title.
You have everything done in the first part that he talks about, which is your your scoping document. So you’re like, what’s the next step? So the next step is to, take this information and you can use some type of writing tool. What I use is, it’s a lifetime value.
I don’t know if anyone’s ever heard of Atticus.
So there’s three books that I’m I’m gonna start, writing. The first one is the one we just went over, is the effective delegation for first time managers. I think that’s a great a great title.
This is the outline that I talked about, which is based off the framework. So it’s, I have my outline. I have the premise. I have the title. I can start testing it, and these are the the the other headlines that I I may test as well. And that’s all from the scoping document. It took me about a half hour to put this together.
The other books that, based off other research I did, the other book I wanna write is, of course, write useful books with AI, which is the process I’m going through right now. I’m gonna take that and I’m gonna write a book on it, as well. Well, that’s an obvious no brainer. And then this one, which is really cool, is creative under pressure.
I went through that exercise, and I told you earlier that copy that was one of the top challenges that I realized with copywriters is this need to feel to be creative.
But how do you juggle that, especially with all these tight deadlines? So it’s offering actionable tips and incorporating AI or some angle I have to think through on it.
So you put your title in there, you put your headline.
And, on the next step in here, another this is a big one as well, is the drafting.
So, this is all about writing, and you may agree or disagree on this approach, but, the there there’s plenty of books in that right now that are a hundred percent AI written that are making a lot of money.
If you wanna go that route and there’s a certain style you want, this is how you can do it. What you’ll do is you’ll take and I’ll include the prompt for you as well.
You can copy and paste this prompt into, chat GPT or any any that you want. And what this is gonna do is it’s gonna write a style guide for you based off your writing that you want. Now when I say style guide of your style, what I’ll do is let’s start a new one here. I’m gonna paste this in. This is a book that I really, really like. This is a book on delegation that, was was number one seller. It sold really well, and it tells an engaging story.
It, it’s not dry. It’s like a new manager. What he is what he experiences. There’s a lot of dialogue. It’s just a great writing style that I like. So all you need to do is if you find a book that you like or someone else’s writing, it could be a blog, it doesn’t matter what it is, then just go ahead and copy the whole chapter and paste that into the prompt. And you wanna find the the section here where it says examples right here, and just go ahead and replace that.
Okay? And then enter. And ChatTPT is very good at this. Claude is very good at this as well. So it’s gonna analyze this writing style, and it’s gonna write us, a, style guide for me. It’s gonna look for pattern recognition, adjectives, adverbs, and it is spot on. And it’ll give you an example, at the end, this will pass one hundred percent AI detectors, guaranteed.
It’ll it’ll show as one hundred percent human writing because it’s basing it, of course, off the human human writing. Right? So when this is done, you can take this.
And just before you’re gonna write a book or if you just wanna do an outline, with your spit draft or what it is of that chapter, you do very high level. And then you can copy and paste this, and you can see how it’s doing the dialogue, which is just exactly how I wanted. You would copy paste this in here. Save this as your style guide somewhere. You could put it in the prompt if you wanted to.
Okay. And just, write like me.
And now you have your own personal style guide that you can use. And when you’re starting, a prompt, you can just, you know, copy this, put it in here. This is gonna tell ChatGPT exactly how you write your your the style guide, everything it needs to know to emulate your running stuff. And then you can just put your outline here or what you wanted to write. It’ll emulate that for you as well.
I’ve done that with with these sections. So here I’m at with the to taking that process. And keep in mind, this this was a day. Okay? This is, like, maybe three hours getting to this step.
Effective delegation for first time managers, table of contents, the the the book titles that I’m gonna test, the introduction, the all the chapters, what’s book covers and what it doesn’t. I have all that in a scoping document. So I can just take this, copied it, put it in my writing style, and chat GPT will write it. Here’s the first, here’s chapter four foundations of delegation.
Here’s what it’s written so far. It’s the dialogue I want. It tells an engaging story of a new manager who’s learning how to delegate. He has the specific problem that I’ve discovered, the specific scenario, the specific problem, sort of promise, and it also uses the framework from this business book as well. So it’s timeless as well. Right?
And I’ll repeat that process through each, for each one, including the preparing to delegate, and then I’ll just rinse and repeat.
A tip on this is to, especially if you’re looking at a certain, topic is to, if you can find it, like, this was on AppSumo when it was available. This this is a database. So what you can do on these is is find a book or a topic that you like, and then you can add let me go to chatbot here.
You can go in and you can create a prompt, for it. You can upload the book. Okay? So all of these are books here that I that I’ve uploaded, including, like, patient dataset.
So it’ll only pull from that. And then you can you can instruct it to act as a writing coach and that author, and you can put your prompt in here. And then you can use this as a reference guide when you’re doing your research as well. Now a a trick on this as well, if you’re if you’re reading a book and you wanna create your own prompts or or concepts, is, ask this to use the book as its own dataset and then ask it to explain the concept in the chapter.
And once it’s explained the concept, then ask it to write step by step actionable, process to achieve that concept and then ask it to turn that instructions, that step by step process, go to chat GPT, and explore. You’re gonna see different different type of, GPTs that you can use here. One of them is called, prompt.
Here we go.
And you can pull this up. There’s prompt engineer, prompt perfect. That that’s a that’s a good one. You can paste those instructions into prompt perfect, and it will write a prompt for you to achieve the exact outcome that the author suggests based off his criteria.
As you can see, yeah, that’s pretty powerful, and you can align that with different books, and different strategies that you want depending on the angle that you wanna use. So if you can get a hold of this, definitely do it because you can build your own your your own datasets.
That’s it, in a nutshell.
I’m gonna put this online in one of the groups.
It’s gonna take me, I imagine, about two weeks to publish the book on delegation.
I’m gonna publish it to Amazon. I’m gonna put it up, and then we’ll see how it goes. But, it’ll be interesting. And then I’ll share additional processes on that as I go through it as well and all the prompts. So go ahead and bookmark this, this page, and I’ll share it with everyone as well.
And just a systematic process. You know?
Go step by step and and learn as you go, and then you’ll see different opportunities and and go from there.
Any questions that I can answer for anyone?
Jess had one. How are you planning on testing the titles?
Well, that’s you can do a survey. Right? It’s you can I can put it in front of people?
You can find first time managers. Right? You can test them. You can do interview questions, or you can send a survey if you want. K. Easy.
There’s a test I forget what it’s called. There’s a tool we’re at. You can actually pay as well, the split test. And people you can use Google Ads if you wanted to test book book titles as well or book covers.
I’m not gonna do any of that. I think that AI is to the point right now where I can get a pretty good idea. Like, I’m I’m more than comfortable with launching with effective delegation for first time managers. I think that’s clear.
It meets the purpose. It’s spot on. I’m not gonna see how it goes. But, but, yeah, the you can, and I’ll I’ll forget I forget what tool it is, but I’ll I’ll send it over.
He talks about it in the book that you can use to test as well.
I think Naomi just she chatted over Liza.
That’s the only chat that I use to, test different ads.
So you can It could be.
It could be.
Testing, and there’s a really wide variety of criteria you can choose from.
What’s it called? Sorry. It could be the one I’m talking about.
It used to be called UsabilityHub, and they’d be branded as Listener. And you can do five second tests. You can Yeah.
That’s the one.
Upload up until six different yeah. Yeah. I you can do without a subscription, you can do tests with one question, I think, one or two questions, and then just pay for that test.
And I think it it’ll cost, like, fifty dollars per test.
Yeah. That’s the one he talks to. I’m pretty sure that’s the one he talks about in the book.
Yeah. It’s a great, great platform. I’m busy over here.
Is anyone here writing a book? Anyone have any plans to write a book at all?
Abby and I are both writing books right now.
Are you using AI at all?
Or I don’t I would imagine.
I don’t take my word for it, but I I don’t think Abby is. I am. So, but this is really helpful because I’ve, I don’t know. What I’ve been coming across lately when I’ve been doing work is, between chat g p t, and then I’ve been getting into Claude, and then, oh, I just started on another one.
But I found it interesting because I did the same process the first few steps, kind of similar to yours but different. And I couldn’t believe I was using ChatGCT four, like, the whole thing, and I did it two different times and two different things, and I couldn’t believe how incredibly different the outputs were.
And, so I was like I don’t know. I think where I go a little bit wrong with AI is I like to see the different outputs among the different tools, and I struggle to stick with one because I like a piece of one, but then I like a piece of the other. And, and then I don’t know which one to commit to, and then it gets really jumbled when I’m trying to keep, you know, the whole conversation going with the chat so that it remembers and tracks and I don’t know. So that’s just been my I don’t think I have ADHD, but I definitely have an organization problem. So I you know, that’s just what I’m working out with as I write the book. So I appreciate the process, Shane.
Are you using Scholarly to, the so when I did the the spot on what Scholarly is really good as it’s, like, list the specific problem of this group, and then it links and it references actual studies.
Yeah. No. I haven’t. I was actually searching for that because I I hired a freelancer to do some work for me, and I’m like, I know there’s one where they will reference journals and things like that. So I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. I need to get it.
It’s in there, the link. I did link to it as well as it prompts.
And I did use Scholarly. I found the results were, were really good with Scholarly. There there’s a few of them in there that and the I like how it references. Another, search engine I’ll share my screen with you.
This is a really good one you’re gonna like.
And I’ll do one with you right now is have you used, perplexity at all?
No. So perplexity is cool because what it does is so let’s take this the core problem here. Okay. Here we go.
Most pressing problem. So what it’ll do is it’ll actually pull different references from the Internet, and, I use this one quite a bit. So let’s go here. This is fine.
Identify the most pressing problem of, let’s do, like, first new dads. Right? And what it’ll do is it’ll search, and it’ll pull and link to the actual references that it pulls. So this is searching Bing right now and using Bing.
And it’ll it’ll still stick to this criteria, but it’s gonna give you it’s gonna link to actual sources as well. So try this one.
Okay. Love it.
Difference between perplexity and Scholar GPT is what one scholar is peer reviewed and perplexity is just pure quality.
Everywhere. We it’s, like, pulling different like, this will pull from Reddit forms. Like, see all these here. Right. These are all the places it’s pulling it from.
Yeah.
What’s cool is that you can see like, some of these are yeah. A hundred percent is gonna be right. Some of them are are, you know, advice for dads. Some of this I can okay.
Just a heads up. Let me let me also explain this. I can control these rankings as well. So we’re we’re doing this now where these are pretty easily to, to manipulate these rankings as of now because they’re trying to figure out their algorithm.
Like, back in the days of Google when it first started, you know, it was easy to rank.
And the thing to be careful about this is, like, if I put in into this right now, I said, you know, will AI take over an industry?
It’ll say no. But then if you look at the sources that it’s referencing, these people have a vested interest in AI not taking over the industry. So you have to difference with this one.
However, now this one right here, scholarly, this is gonna pull from, is, two hundred million plus resources built in. Like, it’s an actual database, and these are, like, Google Scholar, PubMed.
So you can pretty much trust these results. Right? You still wanna verify, obviously. Right?
But you’re gonna you’re gonna get some pretty good you’re gonna get some pretty good information from this, and it’ll reference the sources as well. What I would do is another option, if you’re doing your research, is to take this. Okay? Find a assign a study or a journal and upload this to so all of these files here, these are books. So if you buy a book from Amazon, okay, you buy a book, you can upload to your own dataset, and then you have your instant look, I don’t read books anymore. I ask for summaries, and I and I create a bot that analyzes the book for me, just answers it when I need the information.
That’s a better approach to take if you can.
And then find a journal or a study and then just create prompts and a bot, like a chatbot, to analyze the different stuff. Right? Like, we use it for datasets for patients, write great leads, all that stuff, and that’s what I do now anyways. This is great for research. Amazing for research.
On that note, Andrew wants to know if you can recap the different tools and GPTs used in the process and what they do and how they connect.
Just so they’re all all the you mean the tools is in, the prompt tools or the different I think the one that I’m most interested in is how the one that you were just showing us, the four AI, where you can build the knowledge base from books. Like, it Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Connect to chat GPT. I got it.
My I was just curious about So this isn’t connecting to chat GPT.
This is, this is creating your own knowledge based dataset. Okay? So this is this right here is and and that’s a different so chat GPT pulls from a a a data it’s itself well, not self learning, but it pulls you can create your own dataset from this. So I can upload a book, a document, and then I can create a bot to only analyze that specific book or document and become an expert at that and then ask you questions.
Okay. And and what’s what’s stopping you from, like, I don’t know, putting a a PDF of the book into, the custom GPG, like, knowledge base instead. Like, why, like, why doesn’t that work as well as this?
Because this is this will there’s a with this specific tool, it’s not, it’s not just chat chat DBT. This one you can use, Claude. You can use a a bunch of different, bots as well. So if you open this up, you have different options, and you can also pull API. So you’ll get different results from different ones.
One of the issues is with chat g p t, it may not accept because it’s copyright. Right? It as soon as it reads that like, if you put this into, perplexity, it won’t do it because it it’ll say it’s copyright.
Even though it’s my like, I’m not selling it. I’m not doing any wrong. I’m using it from my own knowledge. I’m not sharing it.
Right? So you this just allows you to to bypass. It’s not it’s more like a third party. That’s why I like it.
And more importantly, the different, you can use you’ll get different results on what you go with. Right? And you can also do your own custom, API, and you can actually get it to do stuff if you want it to as well. You can do this with chat GPT if you want.
It’s not gonna be I prefer this, as well because it it remembers it. It’s always there, and you can just kinda build on it. Right?
Yeah. That was close.
You mean, I think you can get this still, I think you I don’t know if this lifetime this was a lifetime deal, and it’s a steal if you can get it. You get, like, more than enough credits, and you’ll save a lot of cash.
And you got it on that too well?
Yeah. I don’t know if let me see if it’s still available. This is the best one I found.
This is amazing for research. Absolutely incredible for research. Here it is. Research anything with AI.
Now it’s off. If it if it comes back again, I’ll let you know, and I’ll let everyone know. But it’s it’s spot on. It’s, I love this.
This is, like, one of the best tools that I use.
Who doesn’t? Right? And you you can hook this up to Evernote and create your own knowledge base. Right?
All that stuff. All those little bits of information that you’ve always saved and you don’t know what you’re doing with it, you have instant access to it with AI. Right? And you can you can sorta have fun with it.
That was great. Yep. Pardon me?
I said that was great. Yeah.
It’s fun. Combative. It’s, it’s fun. I’m I’m gonna publish the book.
You guys can hold me that too. I’m gonna I’m gonna put the link on. I’m gonna publish the book on delegation in about two weeks, and I’ll add to the process as we go through in including the right like me.
And let’s see how it it goes. Right? There’s there’s a lot of books on there making a lot of money right now that are hundred percent written by AI.
So Mhmm.
Jess has a question.
So if you’re going back through and checking to verify that everything’s accurate, Shane, do you have, like, scope on that? Or, I don’t know. I I, again, hired a freelancer to help me out with, a talk I’m gonna be doing been doing using AI to kinda, I don’t know, just put something together. And I did pay and then, also, I hired the same freelancer when I was doing a competitor audit component of an email program audit.
Mhmm.
And and so I I just was curious if you had any suggestions about when you’re using AI but need to verify any tips, things like that? Because I found in the first like I said, the first time I did the g chat g p t competitor audit, it seemed very spot on when I went to verify on all the competitor sites or socials of what they were leading with messaging wise. Then I did it again on ChatGPT, and I literally asked it.
We’re making assumptions. Right? You’re not whatever.
And he goes, yes.
These are just industry, assumptions, whatever. And, and it was completely off from what each company was really leading with in their messaging, whatever. But, anyway, my point is is, like, I’ve realized the need for a lot of double checking and triple checking, And I was just wondering what your experience was with that with AI.
It it depends on the topic. Right? Like, if you’re talking data where, you know, actual numbers and stats, for sure. But, like, delegation, I’ve been doing it all my life. I’m basing it.
I’m asking AI to, because one of the concepts that’s useful is, like, make sure it’s timeless. Right? It’s it can it can be applied now or twenty years from now, and and I’m just using a proven framework on a business, so I don’t need to verify anything. Yeah.
If I was asking for statistics on delegation or along those lines, I would hundred percent verify it. Right? But if, you know, but it it depends on on what year you can ask. Can you can control it in the prompt.
So, k, we do use we do write stuff for for doctors. Okay? And we do JR, which is he’s twenty years old. He’s not a doctor.
He writes articles using AI on very medical like like, pro like, very medical content, prostate cancer, and he pulls stats. But what he does is he uses we we take, like, the prostate society, we take that database, and we tell AI to only use information from that database. So we’re controlling the source.
Okay. Right? And and if you do that, then it’s not it’s not making any assumptions. And you can in the the tool that I showed you, if you read those those prompts, like, I’m very specific in what I’m saying.
Right? It the the this is this is what I say for the for the book, and this this will give you an example. So I say, as a nonfiction coach, your job is to help students write useful nonfiction books by applying the strategies and tactics from the book, write useful books. The main focus is on is providing clear, actionable tactics for writing useful nonfiction books.
Please provide answers using only the language terms and strategies found and write useful books. When explaining concepts, use direct quotes or closely paraphrase the book’s content without adding information from other sources.
So you see I was very clear and specific about what I wanted it to do. Yep. As long as you you can like I said, like, we this is HIPAA. This passes HIPAA compliance.
Okay? So that’s a perfect example. We have the requirements for HIPAA. We give AI access to it.
We have, the dataset on prostate cancer from a reputable source. And any studies that are peer reviewed, we give access to that. And then we create prompts based off what I just said. And we have a twenty year old who has no medical experience writing detailed white papers about a medic that are then signed off by doctors.
Okay.
So it’s all you can do it. There’s two frames of thought, though. A lot of people say not to write a useful book or do stuff that you’re not familiar with. I don’t buy that stuff. I think you can learn anything. You just have to take time to learn it. I don’t I don’t subscribe to that.
But other people say only do what you know. Data always verify unless it’s your own dataset, but even verify anyways. Right? Like, we do we do social media posts where it’s, like, about health, health topics.
Right? Like, it’s it’s prostate awareness month, whatever it is, and then we’ll we’ll pull stats from a dataset. But but we these stats are from reputable sources. Right?
And you can control the your AI bot to pull from those sources.
Okay. So it’s all it’s all about data. It’s all about where it’s getting information from. Right? That’s what it is. But that’s why I love these tools because you can you can the trick is not to and we didn’t call it a trick.
Forget if you use ChatTPT or any of these tools, have your own knowledge base. Yeah. Create your own specialized knowledge base around a specific topic and train your bot on that to become an expert, and it will. Right? So I have a bot for Gene Schwartz. I literally have his book, and I’ve been using it. And now when I have a question, I ask Gene.
Right? And the dataset is his book. Who doesn’t right? It’s like having access to him. Right?
That’s all.
Thank you.
Pretty cool. Right?
Yeah.
I love it. We’re in a different world. Isn’t this crazy?
I have a question that, maybe should have been asked earlier.
But these books, are you using them just to sell, or is this a lead generation tool? And if so, how do you start thinking about what topics to cover in the lead generation tool?
Sure.
So there’s problem.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that’s the reason why. Right? You you you can definitely use it for a lead gen tool. Like, if you’re especially with those, you know, you’re going into, your specialization and your one thing, then let me share my screen. I’ll show you what I do. And, again, it’s all about AI is broadly defined, and I I include AI as different tools that you can use.
But here you can go, like, the delegation. And there’s tools that it’ll analyze. You’re on Amazon. There’s tools, Chrome tools that you can use, which will tell you the different, keywords that people are searching for that topic, and it ranks them by popularity. Right?
So you can, in this case, I would I would use it for lead gen. Like, it’s solving a specific problem. If I was if I owned a business website, I would possibly offer this as a lead magnet. Who knows?
Or you can launch it on this to build your credibility. Right? And now you’re a published author. Depends what it is.
Some people do make a lot of money. There’s there’s, there’s millionaire this guy right here, Chat GPT millionaire.
Where is it on this? He makes about I think it was, like, five k a month.
And it’s, and it’s a hundred percent written by AI. Right? So there is money to be made. It just depends on what you want to you wanna do. I don’t I’m just doing it for fun. I if I make money, great.
We’ll see how it goes. But I am there is demand for it, hundred percent, and I’ll probably make some money. We’ll see. I’ll share everything with you guys. What do you wanna write your book for? Is it what are you thinking?
Well, I’ve gone on a several podcast lately, and I keep getting asked about about creating buyer personas that work, because for a lot of tech companies just really struggle to come up with a clear picture of who it is that they’re targeting.
Okay. Yeah.
That’s true.
Not something that I necessarily thought would be popular, but a lot of my, a lot of podcasts that I’m going on are demand gen managers. They’re talking about ABM or, PPC, and, those are also my target customers. So Okay.
I thought that would be sort of an interesting middle ground because it’s clearly something popular. And, also, it is not really a service that I offer, but it would be sort of a gateway into a service that I offer. Meaning, like Okay. Creating and optimizing landing pages.
Yeah. Hundred percent. So there’s a lot, like so you wanna I think it’s Gene Schwartz. Like, he talks about, you know, it’s all about demand.
Right? Like, you you wanna anything you do, you make sure that there’s a a need or a want. Like, I’m using my own words, but there’s tons. Right?
So I what I would do is, you know, you look at Amazon and you can see other people have written books. I would purchase those books, download them. I would analyze the reviews. I would actually upload all these reviews inside of ChatTBT, and I would create a dataset.
And I would I’ve from those reviews, I would have it summarized. I would I would PDF I would create a PDF of this. Probably do it now if you wanted to. And then just upload it to, the tool that I have to analyze it.
Then you then I would use, like, SEMrush, to look at keyword data and different things. Like, this is also this is buyer personas.
This is great for volume, but look at this. This is a table of contents in your book. Right? Is it this this is telling you how to outline your book based off real data.
So there there’s a massive need, a hundred percent. I would go a layer deeper, and I I would go, like, forget buyer persona. Like, pick a specific, you know, what are they trying to do with the persona? I would dig deeper on that.
Mhmm. Like, here’s a chapter, buyer persona, and example. These are lead magnets. Hundred percent.
And then I my my brand is called Story Logic, and so I was gonna tie it into different story elements, like how what is the villain in the buyer persona? What is the assistant?
What is Story brands does that plot line.
Have you heard of My Story Brand?
So they do great. Demo solution? Oh, different.
No. I’ll show you here. So, here it is.
Create an account and, it’s it’s hero’s journey, basically, but it’s well done.
So they they take the hero’s journey, you know, Star Wars, Jaws, all those books. And, basically, what they do is they they do exactly what you’re talking about. So this and in the end, you can print this, but it follows the the here the it’s a version of the hero’s journey, basically. Right? And it’s a character who starts the problem, meets a guide, gives them a plan. And then what they do is they take this and they they align this to, story brand.
But the thing is that these are oftentimes not something that tech companies are looking at.
Shit. Are you sure? Really?
I I feel like a lot of the because I work with tech companies that are very, very technical, and very complicated. And so they struggle to understand how to take these concepts and apply it to technology because it feels very consumer ish for them. It feels very, it it feels too b to c. That’s the sort of feedback that I get there. They’re not thinking in that sense.
You wanna know a lot more about features and Benefits.
And different target demographics, and they’re thinking about campaigns and keywords. And it’s just this kind of language is they even if they’ve heard of it, they don’t know how to adapt it to their, to their use case.
So we I can tell you what I know works and what we do is you can take especially for that, like, if what they’re really saying is they they wanna better understand their their, their audience so they can they can make more money. Right? They wanna they wanna get in the mind, essentially. So you can if you look at this, and this is the angle that StoryBrand does, is this right here is actually a sales page.
It just it’s it’s aligned differently. It’s left to right. But if you stack these, it’s a sales page. So if you look at the the templates that they have, these are the different templates, and we sell these.
This is if you if you look at this, it’s it’s a story.
Right? And that’s the sell. And you could they spin this for b to c, but you could easily spin that for for for b to b or or tech, whoever you wanted to target.
You could use the hero’s journey and just stack it so it tells a great story from start to finish. And then that’s that’s this does that make sense? Like, this overlay on top of that?
Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I I think it’s great. It’s just I don’t see that many people doing this for a very technical enterprise level b to b item.
But why? I don’t understand. I know. That’s interesting. Why wouldn’t it?
I don’t know why. Because, I mean, like, I I think that a lot of a lot of people in these fields are and people in upper management are typically engineers, and so they tend to be very, very technical.
And they’re not thinking in a creative storytelling kind of way. They’re thinking about the product, and they’re thinking about getting the product out the door as quickly as possible. And then I also think that, a lot of times, the marketing leaders are or the successful marketing leaders are more involved in campaign management. So they’re thinking about bids, and they’re thinking about keywords and platforms and ABM and different strategies like that, and the sort of storytelling layer comes in later, it’s not the top priority.
But it should. Hasn’t Yeah.
I I agree. I agree. I’m just trying to explain. I especially, I most of the clients that I work with are Israeli, and Israelis are known for being extremely practical, extremely, just pragmatic. They wanna get things out the door. They wanna start campaigns. They wanna launch things, and the strategic element of things sort of falls to the wayside.
So Yeah.
Because it if they’re logical, then they would see, like, it’s it all starts with with keyword. Like, the keyword data on Google is basically the mind. It’s it’s understanding what people are searching for, and you use that to feed your campaign, your AdWords. Like, we make a lot of money with Google Ads.
It starts with keywords. I can tell instantly by looking at a keyword where they’re at the buyers or any stages of awareness, whatever it is. Right? Like, that’s that’s this that would be a pretty easy sell.
I don’t know. That’s weird. I’ve heard that. Maybe maybe I’m just in my own world.
I don’t know.
It’s not it’s not just Israeli I mean, this is this is what I hear. This is what the podcast hosts are asking me. Anyway, I appreciate the answer. I do have to jump.
Yeah. But yeah. Thank you.
Sounds like an opportunity, though. If you if they don’t if they don’t know it, then and it’s like it’s such a no brainer, like, it sounds like you could sell them pretty quick.
Yeah. I mean, I I don’t know if it’s something they don’t know or if it’s something that’s hard for them to flush out and hard to actually execute.
It’s too theoretical.
Well, how are they creating ads, though, if they don’t understand how how are you writing an ad if you don’t understand who you’re writing ad for?
Not not that well.
Well, you can. It’s impossible. It it it sounds like they just need to be informed. Like, it’s like, that’s an opportunity to create a process.
Right? Like, it’s a system that will help them achieve the the outcome they want, which is just that’s what I would do. Anyway, that’s why it’s so weird. I never heard that before.
Yeah.
Each is on.
Thanks, Shane.
Yeah. No worries.
Yeah. Thanks so much.
Any other, questions?
Have fun, everybody. I’ll I’ll share this as well. And I said, give me feedback on my book because it’s I’m gonna publish it. Give me two weeks and see how it goes. Hopefully, I get some good reviews.
And Yeah.
We’re looking forward to seeing it.
Alright.
Thanks so much. Okay.
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There we go. K. Everyone, everyone can see? You’re good? Okay. So, today, we’re gonna go over, how to write useful books.
And the premise is based around I don’t know if anyone, has read it yet, but there’s there’s a great book called Write Useful Books by Rob Fitzpatrick. And, it’s a very systematic approach to to writing the book, and a good analogy is Joe’s research and discovery phase. It’s really getting into the mind of cost of the customer, understanding the problem, that they wanna solve, and then crafting a promise or solution to solve that problem. So what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna take that concept, that he talks about in the book and the step by step process, and we’re we’re gonna use AI, to streamline a a lot of it today.
Now the book is essentially broken up into here’s a a diagram of each phase of the book, and, essentially, it’s broken down or the process is broken down into scoping.
And scoping includes really, you know, who you’re writing for, what they care about, what problem are they trying to solve. And then based off that, you craft a clear, clear promise.
Then more importantly, you you decide who the book isn’t for and what the book isn’t gonna cover. And then once you have that information, you can start drafting your table of contents, and then you create something that’s called a recommendation loop. And I’ll give some examples, in a minute on what that is. And And then you’re using this information to essentially, you can survey people, you can interview people.
I gives I’ll show you how to do that. If you really wanna do that, I’d I’m gonna write a couple of books, and I’ll show you where I’m at with these. I’m not gonna do that. I think that with AI, you can get enough information, session today, you’ll have what’s called a scoping document. And the scoping document will be similar to this.
And the scoping document will be similar to this, which is gonna be your table of contents, your top ten problems, the the interview questions, really getting into the mind of the customer that then you can use to start creating your book. And then, of course, I’ll get into that sort of the the process where I’m at it with it and whatnot.
The let’s start at the first step on that. And the first step he talks about is really it’s define your ideal reader and the specific problem they wanna solve. So this is this is copywriting in a sense. You know, you wanna you wanna know who you’re writing for.
Oh, you’re you can hear me okay? There’s oh, I thought I heard a noise in the background.
Now he defines the problem as loosely or the problem is loosely defined as a skill the reader wants to develop, a fear or frustration they have, or a question they need an answer to, or a goal they wanna achieve. So when you when he says problem, he’s defining it very loosely.
The whole concept of the book is really to you wanna get into the mind of the customer, we call it, and copywriting direct response. In this case, we’re getting into the mind of the reader. We’re trying to really understand, the core problems so we can truly write a book that is useful.
The first step, of course, is to write your clear promise. Now he talks about the way he frames the promises, the key in framing of promises around solving a core problem or frustration or achieving a tangible outcome. So, again, it’s a skill I wanna develop. It’s a fear I wanna alleviate. It’s a question I want an answer to, or it’s a certain goal that I wanna achieve.
There’s a great quote by April Dunford, and she said most books are idea books. You know, that they don’t give you one little word about how to get it done. My book is going to be a book about how to actually do it. And that’s really one of the concepts of this is it’s, it really is writing a useful book, and it’s gonna teach you the actual step by step process. So it’s not theory, and that’s the overarching concept.
The key to identify a very specific problem, and there’s there’s certain processes that you you go through, and I’ll show you how to do them with with AI. But, you state the the problem, then you make an explicit promise.
How he defines the promises, it’s, you’re providing a clear path to that solution or desired outcome that they want. The promise should focus on teaching actionable methods, not sharing ideas. So he gives a great example of a promise of, a book. And this this is a a book that’s very popular, How to Stay Alive in the Woods. You look at that, you and Celine know what it is, and that’s a great example of solves a problem, and it’s a clear promise.
Here’s some examples of problem and promises.
And he the way he structures it in the book, it’s almost it is essentially a formula that you can use, which is great for AI because AI loves patterns. But, he gives some clear examples. So here’s an example of a problem. I’m struggling to gather reliable, customer feedback and insights as an entrepreneur.
The promise is this book will teach you proven techniques to conducting insightful customer interviews to deeply understand your customers’ needs and build products they truly want. So that’s a that’s a great example. Another problem, feeling stressed and unprepared when facilitating workshops or presentations. What’s the promise? Follow the step by step framework in this book to design and deliver engaging impactful workshop workshops that wow your audience.
Here’s another great one. Wanting to develop a consistent writing habit, but lacking motivation or desire.
This book provides a structured plan with actionable daily exercises to help you build a sustainable writing practice and make progress on your goals.
And then the last one he gives is, desiring to be more productive and make better use of your limited time, learn productivity strategies based on the latest research to eliminate wasted time, energy, and focus so you can improve the most your most important goals.
So in this case, as you can see, you’re you’re clearly aligning the the promise to the problem.
Once you understand the problem, you align a promise, and you state your promise, then you go into what he call what he calls as drafting your your table of contents. Now, again, there’s specific requirements on this.
You’re gonna add detailed subsections under each main section to further break down the specific lessons and takeaways.
You’re gonna test your table of contents, by having teachable conversations, he called them, where you attempt to actually deliver the promise value to your potential reader step by step. He suggests interviews and and, surveys. We can use AI for that. But, again, I’ll give you both message. You you can choose which one you want. Here’s a great example of the before and after for a table of contents. This was an actual book where the table of contents was just pine, willow, popular oak.
This table of contents, it just lists the names of different trees, but it doesn’t convey what the reader actually learned out each one. And here’s a here’s a great example of a good table of content. So instead of pine, it’s pine for fire starting wood and bandaging injuries. Willow for carving, weaving, finding water as a and as a pain killer, poplar for carving, kindling, containers, and treating infections, oak for construction, crafting, cold fires, and medicine.
So it it it it’s very specific, and it describes a specific outcome from each in the table of contents. So it’s very important.
The next one is writing your cover, and, again, it’s a formula.
And it’s for your cover, he says, you know, you write your clickable cover that makes an unmistakable promise about the value benefits that you will receive.
So the cover should make a clear promise, of course.
The title or the subtitle should explicitly describe who the book is for, the benefit outcome, and the text and imagery conveys a a core promise at its glance. And you’ll notice a lot of this stuff is is pulled from copywriting as well. A lot of this stuff is sales letters.
It just framed differently. Even the the the problem solution, formula that he says to use to write your promise is is literally problem solution or problem acetate solution for copywriting as well. And, again, if you’re gonna use the cover, he gives this multiple times. It’s how to stay alive in the woods.
So what we’re gonna do now is we’re gonna go through this this process that he talks about, which is scoping, and we’re gonna apply the steps using AI. So what I’ve done is I’ve created and I’ll give everyone access to this at the end. So, we’re covering this part, and this is gonna be like I said, this is gonna be enough for you to have your table of contents, have your book, ideas for your book title, and then you can start showing it to people and then start drafting your book as well. The writing and the drafting phase at the end, I’m gonna show you how to use chat or get chat t GPT to emulate your writing style or a specific writing style that you wanna emulate.
In my case, I’ll explain. When we get there, I’m writing a book on effective delegation. There’s a specific book that I really like, and I like that writing style. So I’ve I have AI analyze it and do a style guide and produce a style guide that I can input and use as a database.
And then moving forward, it’s gonna emulate that for me. So I’ll teach you how to do that at the end as well.
So here’s the first prompt for the scoping, and I’ll I’ll do a couple of them as well depending on how much time we have. Now the first step is you really you wanna define your, the top ten problems that your ideal reader wants to solve.
In this prompt right here, we are we’re instructing chat TPT or whichever you use, to look for the most pressing problems of your ideal reader, based on the specific criteria. The criteria we’re using is directly from the book.
These are exactly the criteria he’s saying. Now we got this from and I’ll I’ll show you a trick on how to get this information from is you can take these books that you wanna analyze and you can you can create your own dataset from them.
You can you you can create your own knowledge base, and then you can use AI to craft prompts that follow the specific instructions of the book. And I’ll show you how to do that, in a minute as well. So the first step is we wanna take this. I’ll do two example audiences to show you.
Let’s start with, in my case, I wanna start with pop it in. I’m gonna go with, let’s go first time managers. So ideal reader, just replace this.
And then what it’s gonna do is it’s gonna you can use chat GPT for this, which which will give you pretty good results.
Or another one is you can use is scholarly GPT. So what’s great about that one is it’ll pull, its knowledge from a massive dataset of, papers.
So we’ll we’ll do that one next and you can see the difference. Now these a lot of these are spot on if you read them, and it’s quite detailed as well. So once it lists the ten, then it’s just a matter of your you take that ten.
You can put it in your scoping document because you’ll save it for later.
But, we’ll go through.
One that I another one I’d wanna do as an example and just to show you how, you can get some pretty detailed information, especially on the research and discovery phase, is, let’s do it with scholarly and let’s do it for new dads.
Right?
And just to show you how broad, you can you can make this. So this will be new dad. You can also do it new new, new moms entering the workplace, new dads entering the workplace. There’s a lot of you can choose any topic, and it’s really gonna help you dig deep. Now what’s cool about the Scholarly GPT is that it’s basing it off of actual studies and whatnot so that you’ll find the accurate the information is pretty accurate.
And the same sort of concept, you just you take this in, add it to your scoping document, and then you can move on to the next step. Now, I don’t wanna it’ll it’s a run out because of the time. But the next step on that would be now the step is optional here is to in the book, he recommends, to take once you know the the top ten problems, so a new dad’s case, you know, in this case, it’s gonna be balancing work and parenting, sleep deprivation, financial pressure, lack of personal time. As a new dad, I can tell you this is all a hundred percent accurate, as well. Dealing with mental or no physical health neglect, adapting to change self identity. So a lot of these, what do you suggest now doing in the book is to take this information and to write a survey.
So, again, you can use chat GPT for that. I included a prompt if you do wanna do do that. There’s a a GPT called survey, creator GPT. I’ll open that for you.
And what you can do is you can paste the there we go. You can just paste this prompt, if you do wanna do that inside of that. And what it’s gonna do is it’s gonna, create a survey that has two parts. It’s either a survey question or a survey interview that you can send to different people.
I put the output in here for you. You can see what it looks like.
And this is the output. It’ll put it on a scale of one to ten. And because you’re we I recommend that that GPT that you use because it follows best practices for surveys and whatnot.
And then, of course, you would send this or interview, your one reader. In this case, it’s new dad. And you’re essentially trying to figure out, okay, which which resonates with them, the most. And then based off that, we would move to the next step.
So the next step after that is, you know, let’s say that we we are we speak to dads. We’re like, okay. This problem really resonates or it’s first time managers. In this case, what we would do, I know I went through this right here. Let’s go to this is a new dad.
Okay. Here’s the delegation. So I’ll go through I know it’s delegation, time management and delegation.
So what you do is you take this prompt and copy it. Now what this is gonna do, it’s gonna really dig deep into that specific problem, and it’s gonna use the criteria from the book, that we talked about. Because now we know the problem. We wanna understand the goal.
We wanna understand, what we talked about earlier, any questions they have. We also wanna understand any frustrations or problems that they have, related to that specific problem. So we’ll put that in here, paste it, and go up target audience. Here we go.
So first time managers.
And now what’s gonna do, it’s gonna based off the criteria of the book, it’s gonna really dig deep and so you can get in into the mind of the, the reader.
And this is building now we understand the top ten challenges. We we’ve narrowed that down to getting into the understanding the the mind of the customer, the the reader, and crafting our table of contents and also our book title as well. Now what I did in this case is you just copy and paste it, put it in your scoping document, and you can study it later. And it’s pretty detailed stuff. Like, it it it talks about personal and professional growth, why they’re motivated profile. It goes into detail quite a bit.
And if you do read the book, you’ll see that these are aligned with with everything that he mentions to, to do. You may not agree with all of it, but we’re using his criteria to, define the to define the stuff. So next is to, get an even deeper understanding.
Now now we know it’s first time managers. We know the problem. The core problem is effective delegation.
Now we wanna get in to deeper understanding. And we for effective delegation, we wanna know which skills they wanted to develop. So we’re gonna ask AI, specific questions, including why questions.
We’re gonna we’re gonna wanna know the the, the skills it wants to develop, the frustrations and the fear, any specific questions, and then any goals. And then we’re gonna ask we have specific criteria that he discusses in the book to get an even deeper understanding. So So what we’ll do is we’ll paste this.
And remember, all of this information we’re gonna be using for our table of contents and our book cover as well, which is I was pretty surprised the book. The GPT nailed it quite well. So we’ll paste this in.
Here it is. So d and this is deeper, deep in our understanding of the most pressing problem identified earlier, which, of course, was the delegation for our reader. We click on this. And now it’s gonna give me specific skills that the the reader wants to develop, specific questions it wants, answers to.
Because remember, we’re we’re promising something in this book. Right? So it has to be actionable because it has to be a useful book. So what we’re doing is we’re layering in and layering it, and we’re we’re getting to the meat and potatoes.
But because we’re going it from different angles here, we’re coming from a skill development angle. We’re coming from a fear and frustration angle. We’re coming from an answer and question angle. We’re also coming from a goal angle.
We can tackle different promises, and we can test which ones resonate better. So that’s that’s the ultimate, goal that we’re doing here. So, again, copy and paste this, put it in your, your scoping document.
Now the next step when that’s done is now we get a handle on our most pressing. And I’m I’m sort of going through this because we’re limited on time, but, ideally, you’d wanna analyze this and and read through it. I did this do with copywriters as well. So I’m gonna there’s a book called, Creative Under Pressure that I’m gonna write because it identified with copywriters.
One of the biggest challenges is wanting to, maintain creative or be creative when they’re still facing all these tight deadlines and they feel rushed.
So that’s a pre engaging topic. So I’m gonna write a book on that as well.
Let’s do the next step. Craft a tangible promise. So this is the fun part. Now we know the problem, the core problem, delegation, you know our audience. Now we’re gonna ask ChatGPT to craft a clear promise that we can start testing. And, again, this is the structure of the book, to the letter, including the skills, the promise that they need, the fear frustration, the promise that addresses that. We paste this in.
So here we go. So the first one is the need to craft a promise, is skill development. So many new managers struggle with establishing authority while maintaining a positive relationship with former peers. Here’s the promise. If your new manager finding it challenging to balance authority with, camaraderie among your team, then this book will teach you practical leadership skills. The next one is understanding the fear and frustration.
The another one is the identify the problem, new managers. Asserting authority is a good one. You know, if you’re a new manager pondering how to assert your authority effectively without alienating your team, this book will offer you clear guidance. So what we’re doing now is we’re aligning the the promise based off the, problem, but this we’re we’re categorizing the problems, again, based off skill, fear, question, or goal. Now once we’ve done this, we have our promise, we have our need.
You can go on to the next step, and you can test this if you want. You can take this prompt, put it into the survey GPT. And what what that will do is it’ll craft a series of, survey questions that you can either email, or if you want to, you can interview them. And the goal of that is to determine which promise out of everything we just mentioned sort of resonates with the reader, and then you can you can use that to move on to the next step, or you can just use chat tp t. I’m not gonna do this because I’m I’m pretty confident in the results that that chat chat t p t is writing. I’m gonna move on to the next step.
He talks about in the book, you know, who the book is for and not for.
So what I’m gonna do is now I know that the the reader, I know the core problem. Now I wanna draft who the book isn’t for is not for. And I wanna not only decide who the book oops. Sorry about that. Okay. So the next step is we’re gonna we wanna write, or decide who the book is for, who the book is not for, and what the book will not cover. So now Chat EPT understands our audience, the core problem.
It also has a handle it can also tell us, okay, who is the book not gonna cover, and it’s gonna write that for us here. Again, these are all the requirements that it talks about in the book, with clear examples of each one. So then it’s just a matter of pasting it in. Now this is important as well because this is gonna be one of the first sections on your book that, and he talks about, you know, you wanna highlight exactly who the book is for, who it’s not for.
So when I look at it right away, I’m gonna say, you know what? This book is for me. It’s not for me, and I’m gonna make that decision. And not to go really broad, because if you go broad, you get a lot of four star reviews.
It’s like, oh, this was a good book, but it wasn’t really for me. You wanna avoid that. And by highlighting who this for isn’t for and being ultra specific, new managers who wanna learn how to delegate, It’s not for, leaders with a lot of experience.
It’s not for non manager skills. Like, it it’ll break it down for you. I’m gonna include this in the the table of contents. So I would copy and paste this, put this in the scoping document.
The next step here is to write a recommend recommendation loop. Now this is cool because a recommendation loop is he talks about it, and we’ve all done this where, okay. I have a problem, and let’s do presentation. So I have a presentation coming up. You know, I’ve never done a presentation. I need to learn how to do this.
I’m talking to a friend at work. A friend says, yeah. Yeah. I I was doing presentations.
I read this great book. You should check this out. Oh, what is it called? I go read the book.
I implement it. I hold a successful presentation, and then I recommend it to someone else. That’s called a feedback loop. And in the book, he recommends that you write that, and it’s a dialogue between two people based off your specific problem, which is which is pretty cool.
So I’d paste that in as well.
And remember, I’m I’m layering this off of, each step. So now it’s gonna analyze it based off the problem, and it’s gonna write a a, a recommendation loop for me.
And, of course, what I would do before is you you take that. Here’s the recommendation that it, it did before, and it breaks it down for you. It’s triggering the need, mentioning the stress, and it’ll create a dialogue from start to finish. In this case, it’s, you know, she’s, Saris is is struggling with her colleagues. She’s struggling with her new roles in the manager and delegation, and Tom gives her advice, recommends this book. She applies the book, and then they call it closing the loop where she she’s like, hey. I had a great experience, and then she recommends it to a colleague.
So that’s what that’s what it’s, he refers to. And, so this is gonna write a complete recommendation loop for you as well. And, again, copy and paste that, put that in your scoping document, and move on to the next step.
Now we get into the fun stuff, which will be the table of contents. Now table of contents is, it’s, we talked about that before. It’s there’s a specific criteria he says to focus on. It’s solving the problem. It’s actionable.
So we’ve taken all the criteria from his book. We’ve taken the exact output that he suggests, and he gives some great examples. So we’re just gonna copy this in.
And now ChatGPT knows, who the book is for, who the book is not for. ChatGPT knows the core problem we wanna solve. It’s recommended potential promises, to solve that problem, identifying a goal, a challenge, or frustration depending on which angle we wanna go with. Now based off that information, gonna go ahead and it’s gonna draft a table of contents for me.
Now the, and now what you wanna do at this stage is you’ll take this table of contents and you can start testing it with people. You can put it in front of new managers.
You can ask people for certain feedback. You can tweak it. If you’re not happy with the first run, then, of course, you can, you can just have it rewrite it as well.
So I took this well, it’s running through because of time right now. Put it I put it into the table of contents here, and, it was spot on. It, I like this one better because it it it laid the foundation. One trick I had, if if you do so he does mention too, if you’re gonna write a useful book to make sure that it’s it’s timeless.
Right? It’s it’s not to not to align it with certain technologies that won’t be around in, say, a year or two years. Right? So one thing that I did is they’re the business book here on, like, the top one hundred tools you need to succeed.
And in that is the delegation process or as other business, frameworks that are using the financial world, like balanced scorecard.
So you can take these proven timeless frameworks and you can ask AI to, draft a table of contents around this framework that then aligns with your reader and the problem they wanna solve. So that’s gonna solve sort of the timeless take that we were talking about.
Next step we do after that is the book cover. Now this this is a fun one as well.
The book cover is there’s certain criteria that, we talked about in there. Now this one, you want to update a few things, on this as well. So you wanna paste this in just because it’s a bit more accurate. And it’s gonna give you ten potential book titles. So I put first time managers and most pressing, which is delegation, which we figured it out.
So now it’s gonna suggest some book titles.
Some of them you like, some of them you won’t. Some of them for there’s other titles I gave, and I’ll show you in a second that I love.
The copy running one, I absolutely love.
And, the the original title that it said, I made some tweaks to it. Now this is the criteria he recommends as well. You could use, copywriting formulas here if you want. There’s other formula that you can find. Test that. But this is based off the criteria he suggests that’s embedded into the into the, the prompt.
So now you have your titles. And, of course, you can you just you paste it in here. And now you have your table contents. You have your, your title.
You have everything done in the first part that he talks about, which is your your scoping document. So you’re like, what’s the next step? So the next step is to, take this information and you can use some type of writing tool. What I use is, it’s a lifetime value.
I don’t know if anyone’s ever heard of Atticus.
So there’s three books that I’m I’m gonna start, writing. The first one is the one we just went over, is the effective delegation for first time managers. I think that’s a great a great title.
This is the outline that I talked about, which is based off the framework. So it’s, I have my outline. I have the premise. I have the title. I can start testing it, and these are the the the other headlines that I I may test as well. And that’s all from the scoping document. It took me about a half hour to put this together.
The other books that, based off other research I did, the other book I wanna write is, of course, write useful books with AI, which is the process I’m going through right now. I’m gonna take that and I’m gonna write a book on it, as well. Well, that’s an obvious no brainer. And then this one, which is really cool, is creative under pressure.
I went through that exercise, and I told you earlier that copy that was one of the top challenges that I realized with copywriters is this need to feel to be creative.
But how do you juggle that, especially with all these tight deadlines? So it’s offering actionable tips and incorporating AI or some angle I have to think through on it.
So you put your title in there, you put your headline.
And, on the next step in here, another this is a big one as well, is the drafting.
So, this is all about writing, and you may agree or disagree on this approach, but, the there there’s plenty of books in that right now that are a hundred percent AI written that are making a lot of money.
If you wanna go that route and there’s a certain style you want, this is how you can do it. What you’ll do is you’ll take and I’ll include the prompt for you as well.
You can copy and paste this prompt into, chat GPT or any any that you want. And what this is gonna do is it’s gonna write a style guide for you based off your writing that you want. Now when I say style guide of your style, what I’ll do is let’s start a new one here. I’m gonna paste this in. This is a book that I really, really like. This is a book on delegation that, was was number one seller. It sold really well, and it tells an engaging story.
It, it’s not dry. It’s like a new manager. What he is what he experiences. There’s a lot of dialogue. It’s just a great writing style that I like. So all you need to do is if you find a book that you like or someone else’s writing, it could be a blog, it doesn’t matter what it is, then just go ahead and copy the whole chapter and paste that into the prompt. And you wanna find the the section here where it says examples right here, and just go ahead and replace that.
Okay? And then enter. And ChatTPT is very good at this. Claude is very good at this as well. So it’s gonna analyze this writing style, and it’s gonna write us, a, style guide for me. It’s gonna look for pattern recognition, adjectives, adverbs, and it is spot on. And it’ll give you an example, at the end, this will pass one hundred percent AI detectors, guaranteed.
It’ll it’ll show as one hundred percent human writing because it’s basing it, of course, off the human human writing. Right? So when this is done, you can take this.
And just before you’re gonna write a book or if you just wanna do an outline, with your spit draft or what it is of that chapter, you do very high level. And then you can copy and paste this, and you can see how it’s doing the dialogue, which is just exactly how I wanted. You would copy paste this in here. Save this as your style guide somewhere. You could put it in the prompt if you wanted to.
Okay. And just, write like me.
And now you have your own personal style guide that you can use. And when you’re starting, a prompt, you can just, you know, copy this, put it in here. This is gonna tell ChatGPT exactly how you write your your the style guide, everything it needs to know to emulate your running stuff. And then you can just put your outline here or what you wanted to write. It’ll emulate that for you as well.
I’ve done that with with these sections. So here I’m at with the to taking that process. And keep in mind, this this was a day. Okay? This is, like, maybe three hours getting to this step.
Effective delegation for first time managers, table of contents, the the the book titles that I’m gonna test, the introduction, the all the chapters, what’s book covers and what it doesn’t. I have all that in a scoping document. So I can just take this, copied it, put it in my writing style, and chat GPT will write it. Here’s the first, here’s chapter four foundations of delegation.
Here’s what it’s written so far. It’s the dialogue I want. It tells an engaging story of a new manager who’s learning how to delegate. He has the specific problem that I’ve discovered, the specific scenario, the specific problem, sort of promise, and it also uses the framework from this business book as well. So it’s timeless as well. Right?
And I’ll repeat that process through each, for each one, including the preparing to delegate, and then I’ll just rinse and repeat.
A tip on this is to, especially if you’re looking at a certain, topic is to, if you can find it, like, this was on AppSumo when it was available. This this is a database. So what you can do on these is is find a book or a topic that you like, and then you can add let me go to chatbot here.
You can go in and you can create a prompt, for it. You can upload the book. Okay? So all of these are books here that I that I’ve uploaded, including, like, patient dataset.
So it’ll only pull from that. And then you can you can instruct it to act as a writing coach and that author, and you can put your prompt in here. And then you can use this as a reference guide when you’re doing your research as well. Now a a trick on this as well, if you’re if you’re reading a book and you wanna create your own prompts or or concepts, is, ask this to use the book as its own dataset and then ask it to explain the concept in the chapter.
And once it’s explained the concept, then ask it to write step by step actionable, process to achieve that concept and then ask it to turn that instructions, that step by step process, go to chat GPT, and explore. You’re gonna see different different type of, GPTs that you can use here. One of them is called, prompt.
Here we go.
And you can pull this up. There’s prompt engineer, prompt perfect. That that’s a that’s a good one. You can paste those instructions into prompt perfect, and it will write a prompt for you to achieve the exact outcome that the author suggests based off his criteria.
As you can see, yeah, that’s pretty powerful, and you can align that with different books, and different strategies that you want depending on the angle that you wanna use. So if you can get a hold of this, definitely do it because you can build your own your your own datasets.
That’s it, in a nutshell.
I’m gonna put this online in one of the groups.
It’s gonna take me, I imagine, about two weeks to publish the book on delegation.
I’m gonna publish it to Amazon. I’m gonna put it up, and then we’ll see how it goes. But, it’ll be interesting. And then I’ll share additional processes on that as I go through it as well and all the prompts. So go ahead and bookmark this, this page, and I’ll share it with everyone as well.
And just a systematic process. You know?
Go step by step and and learn as you go, and then you’ll see different opportunities and and go from there.
Any questions that I can answer for anyone?
Jess had one. How are you planning on testing the titles?
Well, that’s you can do a survey. Right? It’s you can I can put it in front of people?
You can find first time managers. Right? You can test them. You can do interview questions, or you can send a survey if you want. K. Easy.
There’s a test I forget what it’s called. There’s a tool we’re at. You can actually pay as well, the split test. And people you can use Google Ads if you wanted to test book book titles as well or book covers.
I’m not gonna do any of that. I think that AI is to the point right now where I can get a pretty good idea. Like, I’m I’m more than comfortable with launching with effective delegation for first time managers. I think that’s clear.
It meets the purpose. It’s spot on. I’m not gonna see how it goes. But, but, yeah, the you can, and I’ll I’ll forget I forget what tool it is, but I’ll I’ll send it over.
He talks about it in the book that you can use to test as well.
I think Naomi just she chatted over Liza.
That’s the only chat that I use to, test different ads.
So you can It could be.
It could be.
Testing, and there’s a really wide variety of criteria you can choose from.
What’s it called? Sorry. It could be the one I’m talking about.
It used to be called UsabilityHub, and they’d be branded as Listener. And you can do five second tests. You can Yeah.
That’s the one.
Upload up until six different yeah. Yeah. I you can do without a subscription, you can do tests with one question, I think, one or two questions, and then just pay for that test.
And I think it it’ll cost, like, fifty dollars per test.
Yeah. That’s the one he talks to. I’m pretty sure that’s the one he talks about in the book.
Yeah. It’s a great, great platform. I’m busy over here.
Is anyone here writing a book? Anyone have any plans to write a book at all?
Abby and I are both writing books right now.
Are you using AI at all?
Or I don’t I would imagine.
I don’t take my word for it, but I I don’t think Abby is. I am. So, but this is really helpful because I’ve, I don’t know. What I’ve been coming across lately when I’ve been doing work is, between chat g p t, and then I’ve been getting into Claude, and then, oh, I just started on another one.
But I found it interesting because I did the same process the first few steps, kind of similar to yours but different. And I couldn’t believe I was using ChatGCT four, like, the whole thing, and I did it two different times and two different things, and I couldn’t believe how incredibly different the outputs were.
And, so I was like I don’t know. I think where I go a little bit wrong with AI is I like to see the different outputs among the different tools, and I struggle to stick with one because I like a piece of one, but then I like a piece of the other. And, and then I don’t know which one to commit to, and then it gets really jumbled when I’m trying to keep, you know, the whole conversation going with the chat so that it remembers and tracks and I don’t know. So that’s just been my I don’t think I have ADHD, but I definitely have an organization problem. So I you know, that’s just what I’m working out with as I write the book. So I appreciate the process, Shane.
Are you using Scholarly to, the so when I did the the spot on what Scholarly is really good as it’s, like, list the specific problem of this group, and then it links and it references actual studies.
Yeah. No. I haven’t. I was actually searching for that because I I hired a freelancer to do some work for me, and I’m like, I know there’s one where they will reference journals and things like that. So I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. I need to get it.
It’s in there, the link. I did link to it as well as it prompts.
And I did use Scholarly. I found the results were, were really good with Scholarly. There there’s a few of them in there that and the I like how it references. Another, search engine I’ll share my screen with you.
This is a really good one you’re gonna like.
And I’ll do one with you right now is have you used, perplexity at all?
No. So perplexity is cool because what it does is so let’s take this the core problem here. Okay. Here we go.
Most pressing problem. So what it’ll do is it’ll actually pull different references from the Internet, and, I use this one quite a bit. So let’s go here. This is fine.
Identify the most pressing problem of, let’s do, like, first new dads. Right? And what it’ll do is it’ll search, and it’ll pull and link to the actual references that it pulls. So this is searching Bing right now and using Bing.
And it’ll it’ll still stick to this criteria, but it’s gonna give you it’s gonna link to actual sources as well. So try this one.
Okay. Love it.
Difference between perplexity and Scholar GPT is what one scholar is peer reviewed and perplexity is just pure quality.
Everywhere. We it’s, like, pulling different like, this will pull from Reddit forms. Like, see all these here. Right. These are all the places it’s pulling it from.
Yeah.
What’s cool is that you can see like, some of these are yeah. A hundred percent is gonna be right. Some of them are are, you know, advice for dads. Some of this I can okay.
Just a heads up. Let me let me also explain this. I can control these rankings as well. So we’re we’re doing this now where these are pretty easily to, to manipulate these rankings as of now because they’re trying to figure out their algorithm.
Like, back in the days of Google when it first started, you know, it was easy to rank.
And the thing to be careful about this is, like, if I put in into this right now, I said, you know, will AI take over an industry?
It’ll say no. But then if you look at the sources that it’s referencing, these people have a vested interest in AI not taking over the industry. So you have to difference with this one.
However, now this one right here, scholarly, this is gonna pull from, is, two hundred million plus resources built in. Like, it’s an actual database, and these are, like, Google Scholar, PubMed.
So you can pretty much trust these results. Right? You still wanna verify, obviously. Right?
But you’re gonna you’re gonna get some pretty good you’re gonna get some pretty good information from this, and it’ll reference the sources as well. What I would do is another option, if you’re doing your research, is to take this. Okay? Find a assign a study or a journal and upload this to so all of these files here, these are books. So if you buy a book from Amazon, okay, you buy a book, you can upload to your own dataset, and then you have your instant look, I don’t read books anymore. I ask for summaries, and I and I create a bot that analyzes the book for me, just answers it when I need the information.
That’s a better approach to take if you can.
And then find a journal or a study and then just create prompts and a bot, like a chatbot, to analyze the different stuff. Right? Like, we use it for datasets for patients, write great leads, all that stuff, and that’s what I do now anyways. This is great for research. Amazing for research.
On that note, Andrew wants to know if you can recap the different tools and GPTs used in the process and what they do and how they connect.
Just so they’re all all the you mean the tools is in, the prompt tools or the different I think the one that I’m most interested in is how the one that you were just showing us, the four AI, where you can build the knowledge base from books. Like, it Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Connect to chat GPT. I got it.
My I was just curious about So this isn’t connecting to chat GPT.
This is, this is creating your own knowledge based dataset. Okay? So this is this right here is and and that’s a different so chat GPT pulls from a a a data it’s itself well, not self learning, but it pulls you can create your own dataset from this. So I can upload a book, a document, and then I can create a bot to only analyze that specific book or document and become an expert at that and then ask you questions.
Okay. And and what’s what’s stopping you from, like, I don’t know, putting a a PDF of the book into, the custom GPG, like, knowledge base instead. Like, why, like, why doesn’t that work as well as this?
Because this is this will there’s a with this specific tool, it’s not, it’s not just chat chat DBT. This one you can use, Claude. You can use a a bunch of different, bots as well. So if you open this up, you have different options, and you can also pull API. So you’ll get different results from different ones.
One of the issues is with chat g p t, it may not accept because it’s copyright. Right? It as soon as it reads that like, if you put this into, perplexity, it won’t do it because it it’ll say it’s copyright.
Even though it’s my like, I’m not selling it. I’m not doing any wrong. I’m using it from my own knowledge. I’m not sharing it.
Right? So you this just allows you to to bypass. It’s not it’s more like a third party. That’s why I like it.
And more importantly, the different, you can use you’ll get different results on what you go with. Right? And you can also do your own custom, API, and you can actually get it to do stuff if you want it to as well. You can do this with chat GPT if you want.
It’s not gonna be I prefer this, as well because it it remembers it. It’s always there, and you can just kinda build on it. Right?
Yeah. That was close.
You mean, I think you can get this still, I think you I don’t know if this lifetime this was a lifetime deal, and it’s a steal if you can get it. You get, like, more than enough credits, and you’ll save a lot of cash.
And you got it on that too well?
Yeah. I don’t know if let me see if it’s still available. This is the best one I found.
This is amazing for research. Absolutely incredible for research. Here it is. Research anything with AI.
Now it’s off. If it if it comes back again, I’ll let you know, and I’ll let everyone know. But it’s it’s spot on. It’s, I love this.
This is, like, one of the best tools that I use.
Who doesn’t? Right? And you you can hook this up to Evernote and create your own knowledge base. Right?
All that stuff. All those little bits of information that you’ve always saved and you don’t know what you’re doing with it, you have instant access to it with AI. Right? And you can you can sorta have fun with it.
That was great. Yep. Pardon me?
I said that was great. Yeah.
It’s fun. Combative. It’s, it’s fun. I’m I’m gonna publish the book.
You guys can hold me that too. I’m gonna I’m gonna put the link on. I’m gonna publish the book on delegation in about two weeks, and I’ll add to the process as we go through in including the right like me.
And let’s see how it it goes. Right? There’s there’s a lot of books on there making a lot of money right now that are hundred percent written by AI.
So Mhmm.
Jess has a question.
So if you’re going back through and checking to verify that everything’s accurate, Shane, do you have, like, scope on that? Or, I don’t know. I I, again, hired a freelancer to help me out with, a talk I’m gonna be doing been doing using AI to kinda, I don’t know, just put something together. And I did pay and then, also, I hired the same freelancer when I was doing a competitor audit component of an email program audit.
Mhmm.
And and so I I just was curious if you had any suggestions about when you’re using AI but need to verify any tips, things like that? Because I found in the first like I said, the first time I did the g chat g p t competitor audit, it seemed very spot on when I went to verify on all the competitor sites or socials of what they were leading with messaging wise. Then I did it again on ChatGPT, and I literally asked it.
We’re making assumptions. Right? You’re not whatever.
And he goes, yes.
These are just industry, assumptions, whatever. And, and it was completely off from what each company was really leading with in their messaging, whatever. But, anyway, my point is is, like, I’ve realized the need for a lot of double checking and triple checking, And I was just wondering what your experience was with that with AI.
It it depends on the topic. Right? Like, if you’re talking data where, you know, actual numbers and stats, for sure. But, like, delegation, I’ve been doing it all my life. I’m basing it.
I’m asking AI to, because one of the concepts that’s useful is, like, make sure it’s timeless. Right? It’s it can it can be applied now or twenty years from now, and and I’m just using a proven framework on a business, so I don’t need to verify anything. Yeah.
If I was asking for statistics on delegation or along those lines, I would hundred percent verify it. Right? But if, you know, but it it depends on on what year you can ask. Can you can control it in the prompt.
So, k, we do use we do write stuff for for doctors. Okay? And we do JR, which is he’s twenty years old. He’s not a doctor.
He writes articles using AI on very medical like like, pro like, very medical content, prostate cancer, and he pulls stats. But what he does is he uses we we take, like, the prostate society, we take that database, and we tell AI to only use information from that database. So we’re controlling the source.
Okay. Right? And and if you do that, then it’s not it’s not making any assumptions. And you can in the the tool that I showed you, if you read those those prompts, like, I’m very specific in what I’m saying.
Right? It the the this is this is what I say for the for the book, and this this will give you an example. So I say, as a nonfiction coach, your job is to help students write useful nonfiction books by applying the strategies and tactics from the book, write useful books. The main focus is on is providing clear, actionable tactics for writing useful nonfiction books.
Please provide answers using only the language terms and strategies found and write useful books. When explaining concepts, use direct quotes or closely paraphrase the book’s content without adding information from other sources.
So you see I was very clear and specific about what I wanted it to do. Yep. As long as you you can like I said, like, we this is HIPAA. This passes HIPAA compliance.
Okay? So that’s a perfect example. We have the requirements for HIPAA. We give AI access to it.
We have, the dataset on prostate cancer from a reputable source. And any studies that are peer reviewed, we give access to that. And then we create prompts based off what I just said. And we have a twenty year old who has no medical experience writing detailed white papers about a medic that are then signed off by doctors.
Okay.
So it’s all you can do it. There’s two frames of thought, though. A lot of people say not to write a useful book or do stuff that you’re not familiar with. I don’t buy that stuff. I think you can learn anything. You just have to take time to learn it. I don’t I don’t subscribe to that.
But other people say only do what you know. Data always verify unless it’s your own dataset, but even verify anyways. Right? Like, we do we do social media posts where it’s, like, about health, health topics.
Right? Like, it’s it’s prostate awareness month, whatever it is, and then we’ll we’ll pull stats from a dataset. But but we these stats are from reputable sources. Right?
And you can control the your AI bot to pull from those sources.
Okay. So it’s all it’s all about data. It’s all about where it’s getting information from. Right? That’s what it is. But that’s why I love these tools because you can you can the trick is not to and we didn’t call it a trick.
Forget if you use ChatTPT or any of these tools, have your own knowledge base. Yeah. Create your own specialized knowledge base around a specific topic and train your bot on that to become an expert, and it will. Right? So I have a bot for Gene Schwartz. I literally have his book, and I’ve been using it. And now when I have a question, I ask Gene.
Right? And the dataset is his book. Who doesn’t right? It’s like having access to him. Right?
That’s all.
Thank you.
Pretty cool. Right?
Yeah.
I love it. We’re in a different world. Isn’t this crazy?
I have a question that, maybe should have been asked earlier.
But these books, are you using them just to sell, or is this a lead generation tool? And if so, how do you start thinking about what topics to cover in the lead generation tool?
Sure.
So there’s problem.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that’s the reason why. Right? You you you can definitely use it for a lead gen tool. Like, if you’re especially with those, you know, you’re going into, your specialization and your one thing, then let me share my screen. I’ll show you what I do. And, again, it’s all about AI is broadly defined, and I I include AI as different tools that you can use.
But here you can go, like, the delegation. And there’s tools that it’ll analyze. You’re on Amazon. There’s tools, Chrome tools that you can use, which will tell you the different, keywords that people are searching for that topic, and it ranks them by popularity. Right?
So you can, in this case, I would I would use it for lead gen. Like, it’s solving a specific problem. If I was if I owned a business website, I would possibly offer this as a lead magnet. Who knows?
Or you can launch it on this to build your credibility. Right? And now you’re a published author. Depends what it is.
Some people do make a lot of money. There’s there’s, there’s millionaire this guy right here, Chat GPT millionaire.
Where is it on this? He makes about I think it was, like, five k a month.
And it’s, and it’s a hundred percent written by AI. Right? So there is money to be made. It just depends on what you want to you wanna do. I don’t I’m just doing it for fun. I if I make money, great.
We’ll see how it goes. But I am there is demand for it, hundred percent, and I’ll probably make some money. We’ll see. I’ll share everything with you guys. What do you wanna write your book for? Is it what are you thinking?
Well, I’ve gone on a several podcast lately, and I keep getting asked about about creating buyer personas that work, because for a lot of tech companies just really struggle to come up with a clear picture of who it is that they’re targeting.
Okay. Yeah.
That’s true.
Not something that I necessarily thought would be popular, but a lot of my, a lot of podcasts that I’m going on are demand gen managers. They’re talking about ABM or, PPC, and, those are also my target customers. So Okay.
I thought that would be sort of an interesting middle ground because it’s clearly something popular. And, also, it is not really a service that I offer, but it would be sort of a gateway into a service that I offer. Meaning, like Okay. Creating and optimizing landing pages.
Yeah. Hundred percent. So there’s a lot, like so you wanna I think it’s Gene Schwartz. Like, he talks about, you know, it’s all about demand.
Right? Like, you you wanna anything you do, you make sure that there’s a a need or a want. Like, I’m using my own words, but there’s tons. Right?
So I what I would do is, you know, you look at Amazon and you can see other people have written books. I would purchase those books, download them. I would analyze the reviews. I would actually upload all these reviews inside of ChatTBT, and I would create a dataset.
And I would I’ve from those reviews, I would have it summarized. I would I would PDF I would create a PDF of this. Probably do it now if you wanted to. And then just upload it to, the tool that I have to analyze it.
Then you then I would use, like, SEMrush, to look at keyword data and different things. Like, this is also this is buyer personas.
This is great for volume, but look at this. This is a table of contents in your book. Right? Is it this this is telling you how to outline your book based off real data.
So there there’s a massive need, a hundred percent. I would go a layer deeper, and I I would go, like, forget buyer persona. Like, pick a specific, you know, what are they trying to do with the persona? I would dig deeper on that.
Mhmm. Like, here’s a chapter, buyer persona, and example. These are lead magnets. Hundred percent.
And then I my my brand is called Story Logic, and so I was gonna tie it into different story elements, like how what is the villain in the buyer persona? What is the assistant?
What is Story brands does that plot line.
Have you heard of My Story Brand?
So they do great. Demo solution? Oh, different.
No. I’ll show you here. So, here it is.
Create an account and, it’s it’s hero’s journey, basically, but it’s well done.
So they they take the hero’s journey, you know, Star Wars, Jaws, all those books. And, basically, what they do is they they do exactly what you’re talking about. So this and in the end, you can print this, but it follows the the here the it’s a version of the hero’s journey, basically. Right? And it’s a character who starts the problem, meets a guide, gives them a plan. And then what they do is they take this and they they align this to, story brand.
But the thing is that these are oftentimes not something that tech companies are looking at.
Shit. Are you sure? Really?
I I feel like a lot of the because I work with tech companies that are very, very technical, and very complicated. And so they struggle to understand how to take these concepts and apply it to technology because it feels very consumer ish for them. It feels very, it it feels too b to c. That’s the sort of feedback that I get there. They’re not thinking in that sense.
You wanna know a lot more about features and Benefits.
And different target demographics, and they’re thinking about campaigns and keywords. And it’s just this kind of language is they even if they’ve heard of it, they don’t know how to adapt it to their, to their use case.
So we I can tell you what I know works and what we do is you can take especially for that, like, if what they’re really saying is they they wanna better understand their their, their audience so they can they can make more money. Right? They wanna they wanna get in the mind, essentially. So you can if you look at this, and this is the angle that StoryBrand does, is this right here is actually a sales page.
It just it’s it’s aligned differently. It’s left to right. But if you stack these, it’s a sales page. So if you look at the the templates that they have, these are the different templates, and we sell these.
This is if you if you look at this, it’s it’s a story.
Right? And that’s the sell. And you could they spin this for b to c, but you could easily spin that for for for b to b or or tech, whoever you wanted to target.
You could use the hero’s journey and just stack it so it tells a great story from start to finish. And then that’s that’s this does that make sense? Like, this overlay on top of that?
Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I I think it’s great. It’s just I don’t see that many people doing this for a very technical enterprise level b to b item.
But why? I don’t understand. I know. That’s interesting. Why wouldn’t it?
I don’t know why. Because, I mean, like, I I think that a lot of a lot of people in these fields are and people in upper management are typically engineers, and so they tend to be very, very technical.
And they’re not thinking in a creative storytelling kind of way. They’re thinking about the product, and they’re thinking about getting the product out the door as quickly as possible. And then I also think that, a lot of times, the marketing leaders are or the successful marketing leaders are more involved in campaign management. So they’re thinking about bids, and they’re thinking about keywords and platforms and ABM and different strategies like that, and the sort of storytelling layer comes in later, it’s not the top priority.
But it should. Hasn’t Yeah.
I I agree. I agree. I’m just trying to explain. I especially, I most of the clients that I work with are Israeli, and Israelis are known for being extremely practical, extremely, just pragmatic. They wanna get things out the door. They wanna start campaigns. They wanna launch things, and the strategic element of things sort of falls to the wayside.
So Yeah.
Because it if they’re logical, then they would see, like, it’s it all starts with with keyword. Like, the keyword data on Google is basically the mind. It’s it’s understanding what people are searching for, and you use that to feed your campaign, your AdWords. Like, we make a lot of money with Google Ads.
It starts with keywords. I can tell instantly by looking at a keyword where they’re at the buyers or any stages of awareness, whatever it is. Right? Like, that’s that’s this that would be a pretty easy sell.
I don’t know. That’s weird. I’ve heard that. Maybe maybe I’m just in my own world.
I don’t know.
It’s not it’s not just Israeli I mean, this is this is what I hear. This is what the podcast hosts are asking me. Anyway, I appreciate the answer. I do have to jump.
Yeah. But yeah. Thank you.
Sounds like an opportunity, though. If you if they don’t if they don’t know it, then and it’s like it’s such a no brainer, like, it sounds like you could sell them pretty quick.
Yeah. I mean, I I don’t know if it’s something they don’t know or if it’s something that’s hard for them to flush out and hard to actually execute.
It’s too theoretical.
Well, how are they creating ads, though, if they don’t understand how how are you writing an ad if you don’t understand who you’re writing ad for?
Not not that well.
Well, you can. It’s impossible. It it it sounds like they just need to be informed. Like, it’s like, that’s an opportunity to create a process.
Right? Like, it’s a system that will help them achieve the the outcome they want, which is just that’s what I would do. Anyway, that’s why it’s so weird. I never heard that before.
Yeah.
Each is on.
Thanks, Shane.
Yeah. No worries.
Yeah. Thanks so much.
Any other, questions?
Have fun, everybody. I’ll I’ll share this as well. And I said, give me feedback on my book because it’s I’m gonna publish it. Give me two weeks and see how it goes. Hopefully, I get some good reviews.
And Yeah.
We’re looking forward to seeing it.
Alright.
Thanks so much. Okay.